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Re: Earnestness

#161

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I won't go that far. But I will say that, contra his earlier writing, pg's recent stuff has a real "feedback in the bubble" feel. It's still treating SV culture as it was fifteen years ago and not really willing to engage with or even nod to the way the industry and its effects on society have evolved. So e.g. Airbnb is still a hero story about disruption even as it settles into an established power and its inconveni…

15 years ago SV was the same as now, there was never a nobler past. There has always been externalities than the tech companies are willing to sweep under the rug if it helps them to make money.

Yes, but the bad side-effects of e.g. fake news and hate speech on FB and Twitter, "industry disruptions" driving wages down, etc., maybe weren't all that readily apparent 15 years ago.

Re: Earnestness

#162

These essays are getting ridiculous. We get it, you have tons of experience funding companies so it helps you to do a competent job filtering the candidates.But after that it is pretty much a crap-shoot, and all this theorizing are just post-hoc rationalizations to satisfy your ego.

What's the difference between post-hoc rationalization and learning from experience though? I don't see him making any claims of pre-ordained success or that luck isn't a factor, he's just pointing out a quality he's seen to be valuable in the context of startups and how it can be a contra-indicator to the type of BS artist that proliferate around any kind of profitable industry.

Sure we can always question motivations (eg. yours could be envy or sour grapes), but that is unproductive.

Re: Earnestness

#163

> Reporters literally can't believe it when founders making piles of money say that they started their companies to make the world better. The situation seems made for mockery. How can these founders be so naive as not to realize how implausible they sound? I can't speak for someone like Kara Swisher, but attempting to channel her, I don't think she would think it is beyond belief that some hacker teenager who droppe…

> What came from those who did this in the past?

You're only listing the bad things that came from people who did this in the past.

An intellectually honest approach would be to look at the net effect instead, which has been overwhelmingly positive.

Re: Earnestness

#164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't go that far. But I will say that, contra his earlier writing, pg's recent stuff has a real "feedback in the bubble" feel. It's still treating SV culture as it was fifteen years ago and not really willing to engage with or even nod to the way the industry and its effects on society have evolved. So e.g. Airbnb is still a hero story about disruption even as it settles into an established power and its inconveni…

15 years ago SV was the same as now, there was never a nobler past. There has always been externalities than the tech companies are willing to sweep under the rug if it helps them to make money.

I think that's wrong, though. Through 2010 or so (very roughly) there was still a ton of unmined valued in straightforward applications of technology. I mean, sure, stuff goes wrong and there are bad aspects of culture, but looking at the industry through the Web 2.0 period it was really easy to convince yourself that this was all a Net Good Thing and making the world a better place (and that's true of Airbnb too!).

It's just not as true now. That fruit has been picked. There are still product ideas but they're about exploiting edges of an industry that has real problems, and not about fixing them.

I mean, whether the desire is there or not, the YC model isn't going to fix the climate crisis, or the disaster that the media ecosystem has become, or the increasingly dire level of income inequality in our society. And getting to my original point: pg's recent writings seem like he's made peace with that and is happy just chipping out new corners of the tech ecosystem and not Solving Problems People Have.

Re: Earnestness

#165
This is spin, and it's important to understand why it's spin, because somewhat unusually, this essay seeks to prevent you from using your critical reasoning facilities.

Here's the context: This essay is, at its core, a rebuttal to https://ideolalia.com/essays/thought-leaders-and-chicken-sex... , which makes the argument that while Paul Graham is undeniably an extraordinarily successful businessman, he's not that successful of a public intellectual, and in particular that one of the major things he's tried to be a public intellectual about - namely, Lisp / programming language design - has been a field where he has basically no successes to show.

For most people, that would be wonderful. I'm about 25 years younger than PG, and I've been interested ("earnestly," as he would say) in software packaging for a long time. If the Ghost of Christmas Future came to me and said, in 25 years you won't have really changed the field of software packaging but you'll be a billionaire who's helped thousands of people work on their life's dream, I'd say, wow, awesome. But that's not enough for PG, who took it as a personal attack (https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1336005166626197506 - the author of the above post was not "mad" in any sense, just trying to talk about a serious conversation) and his VC buddies attempted to rebut this "silly essay" by arguing loudly that it didn't matter if Arc failed because it wasn't important and PG has made tons of money (https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1336043592339472388 , https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1336056247481630721 , https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1336048188264828929, https://twitter.com/m2jr/status/1336146070485626882).

(Before you argue "Arc didn't fail, you're using it right now," please read the post in question, which addresses this.)

So, now PG comes out with an essay arguing how "earnestness" and being "naive" is important - that being interested in a problem for its own sake is valuable, regardless of results - and throws in a comment on how "would-be intellectuals find it so difficult to understand Silicon Valley," i.e., that Silicon Valley is immune from the sorts of (constructive) criticism intellectuals usually have internally. Then he shifts gears right at the end to talking about making money and its relationship with "earnestness" (after introducing the essay by saying that they're conflicting motivations) and how ever since Henry Ford, working on the thing you're passionate about has been more closely entwined with making money.

"But," you say, "this essay doesn't talk about that other essay at all! How do we know it's a response to it?" I invite you to reread this essay closely, knowing the context I'm claiming it has, and I think you'll find it makes more sense. It no longer looks like a disjointed collection of interesting ideas, and there seems to be a reason now why it's worth advocating earnestness and naivete (and dismissing Twitter critics in a footnote).

What this essay has done by the end is argued, like Balaji Srinivasan did but more subtly, that it doesn't matter whether you're good at the thing you're earnest about by traditional measures; if you tried really hard and you made money, it's the ultimate sign you were good at it all along, and you don't need to evaluate your work on the merits as traditional. It's a deflection of the criticism that PG is an above-average Lisper but a world expert businessman - which is hardly a "criticism," really. PG is, without a doubt, a Lisp nerd, earnest about Lisp, but what he's shipped (extremely successfully!) is a change to how the world creates businesses, not a change to how the world writes code. But for some reason, he wants you to keep thinking of him as a successful Lisp nerd.

Re: Earnestness

#166

If you're interested in X for its own sake, you are very unlikely to want to turn that into a business. Unless you're also interested in business and money for their own sakes - both of which should trigger very justified cynicism, because there are far more effective ways to make the world a better place than by getting extremely rich after an IPO.

I disagree. There are many problems that can only be solved by a self-funding organization which sells its solutions to consumers - aka a business.

Suppose I would like to build entertaining, educational toys for children. Should I do it as a hobbyist? No. If I seriously want many children to benefit, I will have to get the toys to them, and producing them will take money. Should I get a grant from a charity? No: only children can judge whether a toy is fun, and if I ask charities to be the judge I will end up optimizing the toys to appeal to the charities, not the children. (The same applies to becoming a charity myself, or to asking for a government grant.) Instead, I should sell toys to children and their parents. That way, I may be able to tell whether I have succeeded in my goal.

The market is a discovery mechanism. If you are serious about achieving something, you should seek useful feedback. Willingness to pay is one powerful feedback mechanism.

The list of businesspeople who are genuinely interested in what they do is long. It ranges from Steve Wozniak down to your local bookshop owner. Paul Graham claims that the best businesspeople are always interested.

Re: Earnestness

#167

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Sounds like Earnestness

Re: Earnestness

#168

These essays are getting ridiculous. We get it, you have tons of experience funding companies so it helps you to do a competent job filtering the candidates.But after that it is pretty much a crap-shoot, and all this theorizing are just post-hoc rationalizations to satisfy your ego.

I won't go that far. But I will say that, contra his earlier writing, pg's recent stuff has a real "feedback in the bubble" feel. It's still treating SV culture as it was fifteen years ago and not really willing to engage with or even nod to the way the industry and its effects on society have evolved. So e.g. Airbnb is still a hero story about disruption even as it settles into an established power and its inconveni…

In 2005 we didn't have the cloud, which lets you start a startup for next to nothing. We didn't have Lean Startup type books, podcasts and social media post from insiders which let us self educate on how business and startups worked. And we didn't have hundreds of VCs and billions of dollars chasing the next kid with a hot startup.

It would be interesting to see a essay from PG on why YC is still necessary.

Re: Earnestness

#169

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PG seems to have a cynical conception of what "politics" is, since he seems to be saying that practising it is anathema to earnestness. I understand what he means if by "politics" he means self-interest and hoodwinking voters. And that may be his experience of politicians, but it doesn't define the field any more than Mulligans define golf. Champion golfers don't take Mulligans, don't kick their ball closer to the ho…

But I kinda feel like your example proves the point, because I've never seen MLK described as a "politician" or "political figure". Politics as most people understand it is the process of deciding who ought to run the government, and King specifically avoided discussing this ( https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/sta... ) because he felt that doing so would undercut his mission of social change.

> Politics as most people understand it is the process of deciding who ought to run the government

That's a narrow definition, sometimes known as "party politics". And that well might be what PG was referring to. The limitation of party politics in America, and other places, is that to become an elected representative you need money for advertising, which you have to get from somewhere, e.g. donations. These usually come with the expectation of a quid pro quo; oil companies want pipelines across the commons and lax pollution laws. They get these by buying politicians.

And so there is a contradiction in a "democracy" like the USA whereby votes are in the hands of the people, but the ability to stand for office is in the hands of the financiers. It leads to a duplicity, which is possibly why PG describes "politics" as anathema to earnestness.

But politics is more than that. Politics is who gets what, when where and how. It exists in classrooms and workplaces, and cars full of screaming kids on a hot day.

It most certainly exists in the competition to have ideas funded by VC. So, in fact, PG is a skilful politician. He just practises his craft outside of party politics.

Re: Earnestness

#170

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I'm with you here buddy. seems like he was doing something shady the way he expressed it. probably lonely and providing alcohol/drugs for minors in order to have company.

> it sounds shady so it probably was c'mon catch people a break. Maybe they were a former alchy giving AA advice to troubled kids, maybe they don't like talking about their religion online

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