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Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Let's use IPv6 more and it'll worth far less than $2B.

The problem with IPv6 is that it's a fundamentally flawed design. Which looks easier to input / dictate over the phone / write down somewhere? 220.12.30.01 or 2001:cdba:0000:0000:0000:0000:3257:9652?

When's the last time you gave an IPv4 address over the phone?

I've been in networking for 30 years, worked for multiple multinational ISPs, and the answer is basically never.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, did anything particularly bad happen due to working for a place playing this game? Asking for a friend..

Yea I got hired as a CTO for a startup in my late 20s and thought I had found my dream job. They offered to double my pay as a JR engineer which was a good amount of money for my age and was given 4% ownership that vested over 4 years. Well about 9 months in, the CEO decides the current business plan isn't viable and wanted to setup a competitor to his previous employer. He knew that this could very easily result in…

> Wyoming

For those reading along, States like Wyoming (and New Mexico IIRC) are attractive for these kind of LLC fillings b/c they don't have a public Company Databases.

That, and cheap taxes/fees.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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A small nitpick: They don't "own" these addresses, the regional internet registries (ARIN, RIPE, APNIC etc.) loan them to Amazon so they can use them, they could take them away again if AWS would do something that's against the RIRs' policies. We also have a single /22 block of addresses from RIPE (we were one of the last companies to get such a block in 2019), so far we haven't made use of it though as it's still a…

> o far we haven't made use of it though as it's still a bit tricky to find providers that will announce your addresses (without asking a hefty amount of money for it).

Vultr can do so https://www.vultr.com/features/bgp/ for no additional cost.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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What are the reasons for slow IPv6 adoption a whole two decades after notification by IETF? I am assuming the demand for IPv4 address blocks is mainly driven by backwards compatibility requirements.

Lazy ISPs. Servers won't go IPv6-only until most users have IPv6. This it's on providers to take the initiative to deploy IPv6. Some have. Some have not.

For example, approximately nobody has IPv6 in Spain. It's one of the countries furthest behind in dual-stack adoption. This is entirely the fault of Spanish ISPs.

ISPs won't be forced to deploy dual stack IPv6 until IPv6 only servers are commonplace, and IPv6 only servers won't exist until that wouldn't lose them a significant fraction of users. And thus progress is glacial.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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What are the reasons for slow IPv6 adoption a whole two decades after notification by IETF? I am assuming the demand for IPv4 address blocks is mainly driven by backwards compatibility requirements.

Lazy ISPs. Servers won't go IPv6-only until most users have IPv6. This it's on providers to take the initiative to deploy IPv6. Some have. Some have not. For example, approximately nobody has IPv6 in Spain. It's one of the countries furthest behind in dual-stack adoption. This is entirely the fault of Spanish ISPs. ISPs won't be forced to deploy dual stack IPv6 until IPv6 only servers are commonplace, and IPv6 only s…

This. I have Comcast Xfinity in the USA (local monopoly, I would use a different ISP if I could) and they just don't offer IPv6. The rep on the phone seemed surprised that I would even ask.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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I used to own 10k IP addresses that I sold as proxy servers to internet marketers. I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. I had no idea what I was doing and eventually shut down the company, but damn, I wish I at least kept control of those things. If you want to see some sketchy shit, look deeply into what the VPN companies are doing.

How did you acquire the original 10k addresses and what year was this?

You used to just ask for it with a reasonable story. Before that you used to just ask.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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post #69

I used to own 10k IP addresses that I sold as proxy servers to internet marketers. I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. I had no idea what I was doing and eventually shut down the company, but damn, I wish I at least kept control of those things. If you want to see some sketchy shit, look deeply into what the VPN companies are doing.

I wish I had the same idea.

It’s the same mindset with Bitcoin, Tech Stocks or even Pokemon cards. It became valuble because not many people knew.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with IPv6 is that it's a fundamentally flawed design. Which looks easier to input / dictate over the phone / write down somewhere? 220.12.30.01 or 2001:cdba:0000:0000:0000:0000:3257:9652?

When's the last time you gave an IPv4 address over the phone? I've been in networking for 30 years, worked for multiple multinational ISPs, and the answer is basically never.

> When's the last time you gave an IPv4 address over the phone?

1990s, Quake.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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What are the reasons for slow IPv6 adoption a whole two decades after notification by IETF? I am assuming the demand for IPv4 address blocks is mainly driven by backwards compatibility requirements.

I suspect tracking and analytics are also part of the problem. Imagine every single IPv4 IP ban now being rendered entirely and utterly useless. DRM/Geolocation blocks are also common and IP's are used quite widely in many software systems, most are likely to only accept a v4 address/format (perhaps terrible regex too).

Detectives and other governments rely on IPv4 addresses as part of 'evidence', and storing V6 uses more storage and is much more complicated generally due to the much longer address space.

We won't see the internet migrate to IPv6 entirely for another 20/30 years from now.

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