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Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by amyjess »

birdyrooster wrote: post #25
rainyMammoth wrote: post #10

How long before all the Californians make Austin the exact same place they fled from?

Average high/low temperatures in the summer for Austin are: June. 92° / 72° July. 96° / 74° August 96° / 74° Average high/low temperatures in the summer for Cupertino are: June. 75° / 55° July. 76° / 58° August 76° / 58° Austin will never, ever be like Silicon Valley because of this. The freedom you get from cooler weather is great from an energy utilization stand point and for allowing safer and more desirable condi…

> Not to mention you have much more beautiful choices of nature in Northern California.

You're making the mistake of assuming access to nature is a priority for everyone, which I think is a consequence of the cultural bubble that Silicon Valley is in. Most people who are part of the scene are into nature stuff, and they assume everyone is because they don't know anyone who isn't. I have definitely heard of people who moved to SV/SF for a job and then being looked down on and sometimes even bullied by coworkers for not having any interest in nature activities. There is very much an attitude that if you don't partake in the Standard Silicon Valley Hobbies then something must be wrong with you.

By contrast, I've lived in Texas all my life and I don't know many people who's really into going hiking and stuff all the time. A couple of people, sure, but most people I know are content to only do the kinds of activities you can do in an air-conditioned room.

I would imagine there are a lot of tech people who moved to NorCal for work but aren't comfortable with the culture there. They don't care about nature and would be happier if they got to socialize with coworkers who had similar interests, and so they might be much happier if their employers relocated to Texas or something. And while I can't really speak to Austin, my experience in Dallas is that the tech scene (which is thriving and active) is much more enterprisey and doesn't really attract people who would prefer a more SV-like culture.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by danielrhodes »

syntaxing wrote: post #11

I'm super curious how this will WFH Covid-era will play out for the Bay Area. I think the question I haven't figured out is job mobility. Pre-covid, even if you lost your job here as an engineer, finding another company thats interesting with the right pay isn't too hard which is one of the best appeals of SV. I wonder how this will play out in terms of this dynamic.

I have heard that a large chunk of the employable software engineers in the United States are located in the Bay Area. Because of this, it is almost a requirement that if you are a company in a hyper-growth phase, you need to be in the Bay Area, otherwise you will struggle to hire enough people. Maybe that will change post-COVID, but I doubt it. Certainly we can expect more companies to be supportive of remote work, and I think that's a good thing.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by spamizbad »

908B64B197 wrote: post #88
davidw wrote: post #36

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I'm curious about how it plays out... everywhere. I live in what's being called a "Zoom town", with lots of remote workers who seem to want a smaller town with more outdoor access (Bend, Oregon if you're curious). House prices are going through the roof. But Bend was already hot, and on people's radar. Yesterday I saw an article about housing heating up in Baker City Oregon. This is a small town of 10K people that is…

If I was mayor of a small town I would be rolling out fiber like there is no tomorrow and zoning everything to allow for detached units like these [0]. Interests rates are at their lowest and the rise in property value should more than pay for it. [0] https://www.dwell.com/article/prefab-home-office-accessory-d...

Most towns won't do this because most of its existing tax base will hate it despite it being a good idea. And they vote!

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by chaostheory »

war1025 wrote: post #122
chaostheory wrote: post #90

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> I'd guess Hispanic immigration will trend in the Republicans favor and outpace upper-middle class migration from the coasts, which favors Democrats. This was the RNC's prediction and former goal for future growth. It was correct until Trump disrupted it. The only place where this is still true is in FL. Until Trump loses his grip on the Republican party, Hispanics by and large will be flocking to the Democrats.

Trump increased his base with every ethnic group except Non-hispanic Whites this election, so I fail to see how that is accurate.

Looking at the data, you're right.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by danishdev »

person_of_color wrote: post #154
danishdev wrote: post #28

Why is it so hard to realize that people want low taxes and light regulation? And that woke culture with it's free speech curtailment are a kind of 1984 environment where someone is watching your words constantly. California and NYC were great great states, and after decades of democrat governments, companies decide to move thousands of kilometers so they can leave these states in favor of Republican states. There's…

Still waiting for the great FAANG from Texas.

Texas isn't precisely poor. Sure, 20 years ago California was a magnet for startups, but that is apparently vanishing as the democrat curtain closes in.

Also, I reply to the poster above, since "I am posting too fast"

@jeffbee

It's not how it works. In the last 30 years people have tended to clusters of population. Specially the most skilled and immigrants. The clusters of population in US are California, New York, Houston and Chicago, 3 of which are democrat. Thats how it started. Now 3 of these clusters will start decreasing, and one will grow. Guess which.

The same story of urbanization happened in China, Japan, Europe, Russia, etc..

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by abfan1127 »

tinyhouse wrote: post #120
abfan1127 wrote: post #110

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Phoenix is a very dry heat, very little humidity. 120F is toasty, but its nothing a pool and margarita can't solve :). Our winters are fantastic. We have 300+ days of sun shine! We are 2-3 hours to the Mexican beaches, 2 hours to snow for snowboard/ski (flagstaff), lots of golf, lots of hiking, lots of Tech work (Motorola was a monster back in its day, Intel has a huge presence, Godaddy, Paypal, the list goes on), Ba…

Oh right it's dry, confused it with Houston :) But still, an average high above 100F for 4 months is pretty brutal. I'm guessing people don't spend much time outside during the summer months (during the day at least), unless it involves some water activity.

A lot of people don't spend time outside in most places :|

I personally like the heat (over the cold). I mountain bike with my kids at dawn in summer. We camp in Flagstaff which is 30-40 deg cooler (7500ft elevation) and only 2 hours away.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by redelbee »

orliesaurus wrote: post #135
redelbee wrote: post #114

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>I love biking/walking around the Oracle campus area because they made a bike path and the area is safer than it was before. That general area of the Town Lake trail was always my starting point for runs. My favorite “section” was definitely the trail on either side of the dam. I would park in the lot across the lake from the now Oracle campus and start most of my runs there. I ran thousands of miles with that as my…

I live downtown/East facing. It's a shit show now. All the good things like: - Small bars/businesses - Parks/Green areas - Free parking - Playgrounds are being deleted from the map one by one and they're being replaced with: - Hotels/Large apt. complexes - Huge buildings for big corp/large comp - Paid parking/parking lots - New age bars and posh restaurants - Homeless camps but it's safer to go out out at night at le…

Oh I’m sad (and totally unsurprised) to hear that.

I wonder if there will ever be an exodus from Austin similar in scope to the influx of the past decade. If I could time travel I would definitely visit Austin through the years to see how it was and how it ends up.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by mehrzad »

dragonwriter wrote: post #151
mehrzad wrote: post #148

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The high cost of living in California has almost nothing to do with liberal politics or whatever you're trying to insinuate.

> The high cost of living in California has almost nothing to do with liberal politics or whatever you’re trying to insinuate. It has a lot to do with economic success and the wealth produced thereby. The extent that has to do with the distinctive local politics of the state is another argument.

Yes, that's a much better way to put it. It just seems ironic to me that after decades of policies leading to a wealthy California the same detractors are claiming that the liberalism was the problem. My most charitable interpretation they think recently the policies have gotten too progressive and that's causing the exodus, as opposed to the wealth causing the high COL.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

bsder wrote: post #113
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #30

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They are being downvoted because people who live in Austin think it's laughable that execs are moving to Austin because it's some cushy vacation spot. Execs are moving to Austin from CA for the exact same reason a huge chunk of the rest of the techies are moving to Austin: 1. No state income tax. 2. Comparatively cheaper home prices, though with news link this perhaps not for long, centrally located Austin single fam…

> 3. Vibrant tech and VC community - not at the same level as SV but a not-too-distant second-or-third. Uh, no. Austin has a lousy VC community. There are countless articles about it. And, as for tech, for software it's mainly only Tivoli alums--and a lot of the best ones decamped for greener (read: better salary not in Austin) pastures. IBM as a technical presence has been gone forever (the Advanced Workstation Divi…

Totally disagree. In software you have vibrant alumni communities from Trilogy, Indeed, HomeAway/VRBO, etc., not to mention tech giants that have large engineering outposts in Austin, e.g. Google, PayPal.

Re: Oracle Moving HQ to Austin

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

KoftaBob wrote: post #73
rainyMammoth wrote: post #10

How long before all the Californians make Austin the exact same place they fled from?

If the typical person leaving California for Texas is doing so explicitly for the lower cost of living and lower tax burden, why would they vote for policies that go against that goal? You could argue that it's the longtime locals in the Bay Area, those who bought homes cheaply in the 60s/70s, that are usually the NIMBYs voting for the policies that caused the current state of things. Those same people are the least…

I think people moving may like the politics of where they're moving to, in the abstract. But they get there, and they decide they'd like something between where they are and where they came from - say, 25% California and 75% Texas. But that's still trying to move Texas, not all the way to California, but in that direction. To those already in Texas, that raises hackles.
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