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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by toast0 »

misiti3780 wrote: post #90

Is there any article or video out there that outlines a compelling case of how massive election fraud could have even occurred ? I do believe some election fraud happened, how could it not with 150MM voters in this past election. But I have yet to read a single article that could outline any explanation for how democrats stole 8MM votes so Trump lost, but did not change down-ballot votes so that they also lost house…

Devil's advocate:

Clearly, they didn't change downballot races, because that would be suspicious. Any group smart enough to cheat at this scale would be smart enough to not make it obvious.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

bradenb wrote: post #105

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

I doubt this policy is based on any sort of broad principle. Youtube just doesn't want its platform to play any part in the currently ongoing coup attempt.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by dukeofdoom »

The election was spammed with illegal ballots, and a tiny rejection rate in key swing states. This is not a conspiracy. This is the product of the rule changes put in last moment in many of the states. Rhe conspiracy is not being able yo check signature to verify the ballots. If this was done to levels approaching the previous elections, Trump would win. Btw, at this point Texas and several other states are bringing suits. So you can not claim its a wacko conspiracy made up by basement dwellers

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by tasogare »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #103
PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

I'm pretty anti-censorship; specifically I believe that sunshine/debate is the best disinfectant. However, we aren't having a healthy debate right now because the election fraud conspiratorialists are shouting their message without regard for the rebuttals. I think there's something to be said for bringing the volume down to manageable levels so that we can actually have a debate. That said, I'm not remotely convince…

Balanced reporting of news during the election and of current president actions (for instance peace efforts in the Middle East) would probably have been a long way to not give credit to the idea that "the system" is pushing a particular candidate. Some people are thinking their voices are being silented, so censoring actions taken by Youtube or Twitter (NYP incident) are not only an additional nail in the coffin, they are actual validation of the fact a whole political side is being canceled.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by RobertKerans »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #72
PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Yes, it has, to a degree. C.f. Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, etc. (These voices became much less prominent after their deplatforming.) There's also a deontological argument to be made for banning dangerous falsehoods on one's platform.

Yep. UK based, and Katie Hopkins has thankfully become far less visible after deplatforming (seems to have removed most income streams post-bankrupcy).

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by [deleted] »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #119
ryaan_anthony wrote: post #75

So who decides what is true/accurate? Is this action just related to the current election or will this extend to other "fake news" and elections in other countries? Covid news comes to mind.

The courts do? And so far they haven't produced any evidence and they get flung out of every court. On COVID, every country on the planet agrees. The scientists have spoken. The guy who thinks the royal family are lizards should not be considered even remotely reliable.

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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by compiler-guy »

zionic wrote: post #157
bradenb wrote: post #105

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

This plays exactly into their narrative. "If they didn't steal it, they wouldn't have to work so hard to cover it up!" Megacorps should never become arbiters of truth.

Publishers have always been the arbiters of truth. "Anyone can publish anything targeting anyone" is a very recent development.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by generalizations »

dleslie wrote: post #144
bradenb wrote: post #105

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

For the existing folks, almost certainly, but it prevents the spread of misinformation; and more importantly, it prevents the _repetitive reinforcement_ of misinformation.

Assuming it's misinformation, this time but especially in the future.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by dleslie »

jpttsn wrote: post #84
ryaan_anthony wrote: post #75

So who decides what is true/accurate? Is this action just related to the current election or will this extend to other "fake news" and elections in other countries? Covid news comes to mind.

I bet it will extend to fully cover one side of the aisle, but not cross over to the other.

It would help if one side of the aisle didn't continue to stand behind a conspiracy theory that has failed in court _many_ dozens of times, now.
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