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Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by kergonath »

ChrisGrowl wrote: post #121
tosh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Growl goes way back, this is an interview from 2006: https://www.osnews.com/story/15442/interview-with-chris-fors...

Good lord I forgot about that interview. I was so young haha. Growl started around 2003 really

I’d just like to thank you for your work on Growl, Perian, and Adium. Those were fantastic, provided great functionality and were rock solid. All of them were invaluable. They are always associated with the good time I’ve had tinkering with my computers as a student.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by ck425 »

anonymoushn wrote: post #160
liquidise wrote: post #6

> Without Growl I do not know that we would have any sort of decent notification system in OS X They are right to say this, as the current Notifications system in OS X is ripped nearly pixel-for-pixel from Growl's implementation a decade ago. Like Spaces, Quicksilver, Cover Flow and others, Growl paved the way for a lot of the usability enhancements OS X gobbled up in recent years. Apple folks: take note. These are r…

Was Spaces an app before it was a feature? Currently I'm using third party software to pretend I have Spaces instead of the awful thing that replaced it.

What are you using our of curiosity? I used to use the amazing TotalSpaces but with recent versions of OSx it was no longer able to work. Now I've just gotten used to OSx's shite version but I really miss using a grid

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by tabob »

I can say that Growl and desktop notifications are the very first thing I disable.

Not once on 20 years of computing did I ever think: “I want applications to interrupt what I’m doing and steal my limited ADHD focus because they’re lonely and need attention”.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by ben_w »

josteink wrote: post #139
spullara wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has always been the domain of the carriers, not Apple.

> This has always been the domain of the carriers, not Apple. Maybe in the US. In Europe carriers never had any say about what functionality a mobile device offered. All they provided was a SIM-card for that device.

> In Europe carriers never had any say about what functionality a mobile device offered.

Not so, unfortunately. I tried putting a phone SIM into an iPad, and soon got a message from the mobile company saying the SIM card wasn’t intended for this use and would be disabled until it went back into a phone.

(This was in the UK a few years ago with a Three PAYG SIM).

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by bonzini »

josteink wrote: post #139
spullara wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has always been the domain of the carriers, not Apple.

> This has always been the domain of the carriers, not Apple. Maybe in the US. In Europe carriers never had any say about what functionality a mobile device offered. All they provided was a SIM-card for that device.

They can put default APN configurations in the SIM card that (by default) would have different fares for mobile usage and tethered/hotspot usage. They cannot block you from changing the configuration, but I think in theory they could terminate the contract if you did so. In practice 99% people got used to buying both a "computer SIM" (which is typically sold with a cheap Huawei USB modem) and a "phone SIM", so the providers that do differentiate that way don't bother going after violations.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by bonzini »

usr1106 wrote: post #126
cortesoft wrote: post #117

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Yes, it is the networks that demand extra payment for tethering. That is still a thing in the US; you have to pay extra for a plan that includes tethering.

Surprising from a European perspective. I have used tethering since before phones had a HTTP/HTML browser (~ 2001, remember WAP?). The question has always been do you have packet data or not, what is your bandwidth and volume. Nothing else is the operator's business.

Tethering and hotspot traffic is still marked with a different APN type ("dun").

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by 0ld »

josteink wrote: post #139
spullara wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has always been the domain of the carriers, not Apple.

> This has always been the domain of the carriers, not Apple. Maybe in the US. In Europe carriers never had any say about what functionality a mobile device offered. All they provided was a SIM-card for that device.

> In Europe carriers never had any say about what functionality a mobile device offered.

not really. a few years ago, before the eu roaming was made cheap, i bought a sim from wind operator in italy, and it was blocking my tethered traffic. i had to "fix" my ttl for it to work

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by nsomaru »

kevin_nisbet wrote: post #159
nsomaru wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not from the US, could you explain this perspective to me? You give me internet on device X. How is it up to you how I use it?

In my experience in Canada from several years ago, the business teams in wireless telcos don't see it as providing you internet on device x. The ip connection on a device is a gateway towards a service, and the telecoms want to be providers of services, and the differentiator from competitors is having better and different services. In my opinion the biggest fear of those business development teams is to be treated a…

Thanks for this detailed explanation. It’s really strange and I’m so glad this practice didn’t take hold where I’m from. Granted, mobile data is really expensive here so it probably wouldn’t make sense, anyways.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by agustif »

Arubis wrote: post #47
liquidise wrote: post #6

> Without Growl I do not know that we would have any sort of decent notification system in OS X They are right to say this, as the current Notifications system in OS X is ripped nearly pixel-for-pixel from Growl's implementation a decade ago. Like Spaces, Quicksilver, Cover Flow and others, Growl paved the way for a lot of the usability enhancements OS X gobbled up in recent years. Apple folks: take note. These are r…

I still have yet to find a satisfactory replacement for Quicksilver. Yes, Alfred and all those exist. They are mere shades by comparison.

Raycaster is the only thing is looking better than alfred for me right now

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by jspash »

Arubis wrote: post #47
liquidise wrote: post #6

> Without Growl I do not know that we would have any sort of decent notification system in OS X They are right to say this, as the current Notifications system in OS X is ripped nearly pixel-for-pixel from Growl's implementation a decade ago. Like Spaces, Quicksilver, Cover Flow and others, Growl paved the way for a lot of the usability enhancements OS X gobbled up in recent years. Apple folks: take note. These are r…

I still have yet to find a satisfactory replacement for Quicksilver. Yes, Alfred and all those exist. They are mere shades by comparison.

Just curious..what is it you find lacking about Alfred? I swapped a few years ago when QS was having some wobbles with releases keeping up with Mac OS releases. I forget what the exact issues were at the time. It took about 3 months to find and replace my QS workflow but now I love it.
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