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Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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I hope so. I would be upset if I got the vaccine and people who didn't have it were allowed to work near me, but I would just keep WFH. I would be outraged if I were forced to work with them

Why would you be upset for? It's their life, not yours. Once you get vaccinated, ideally, you get immune to the virus. You neither can develop the disease nor spread it. It's the same as saying you don't want to work with people who didn't got vaccinated by any other number of vaccines (let you search wiki for full list as exercise) and I'm pretty sure it already happened.

> It's their life, not yours

This attitude is why the pandemic rages on with such intensity in so many places

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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I'd go and get it ASAP, so I resume my life. Anti-vaxxers can isolate themselves forever :)

I'm not anti vaxx.

But I totally understand after institution after institution failed us all, that people will be skeptical about a miracle vaccine developed in mere months.

I have faith in the scientists, but anyone can see the incentives are dodgy here.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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I'll let you test it for me and find out what the long term effects are.

I'll take my chances. My sister-in-law is dead. A brother-in-law is still unsure if we can talk across a room without fainting (6 months ago he was running several miles a day). This is just in my tiny circle of close family. Thousands in a much larger sample of had the vaccine with no side effects anywhere near that bad.

If it cheers you up: I'll get myself vaccinated as soon as possible. Not just for myself but also because "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" as Mr. Spock would say.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Well just like I don't immediately update to the latest OS I think I'll wait for the beta testing to happen :)

As someone who has some experience with clinical trials and drug approvals, I'd be quite comfortable taking the vaccine. A clinical trial size of 40,000 (20,000 receiving the vaccine) is way larger than a lot of other drugs that people are comfortable taking. Is there zero risk of serious side effects? Of course not, there never is. But the trial gives enough data to say the risk is worth the benefit. Edit: The FDA h…

During the 2009 Swine Flu epidemic, I designed ancillary equipment for a bioreactor used for making an experimental vaccine. If any supplier or subcontractor was dragging their feet, all we had to say was "this is for a machine which makes the swine flue vaccine" and we suddenly would somehow jump to the front of their queue. I imagine the situation is even more that way for anyone involved with Covid vaccines, so I am 0% surprised by how efficiently this was developed. Magical things happen with price and priority are no longer concerns. (edit:sp)

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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As someone who has some experience with clinical trials and drug approvals, I'd be quite comfortable taking the vaccine. A clinical trial size of 40,000 (20,000 receiving the vaccine) is way larger than a lot of other drugs that people are comfortable taking. Is there zero risk of serious side effects? Of course not, there never is. But the trial gives enough data to say the risk is worth the benefit. Edit: The FDA h…

It also depends on the known safety profile. With AstraZeneca some people already have to take pain medications after taking the vaccine...I wouldn't be comfortable putting using that vaccine without much wider testing. Fortunately I don't need to though, because soon we'll probably have 2 great vaccines to choose from.

> Fortunately I don't need to though, because soon we'll probably have 2 great vaccines to choose from.

Indeed! And I'll be going with the adenoviral route which has been used for more than fifty years, rather than the brand new, first time ever mRNA product.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Too late for that - the beta testers have already found it good. A phase 3 trial is beta test.

I'll let you test it for me and find out what the long term effects are.

From what I've read ~20% of COVID cases end up with some long term affect, some of which are quite bad and could be permanent. While the vaccine also probably has risks, I personally would rather take my chances with the vaccine instead of infection.

At the very least, the vaccine seems less likely to kill me in the very short term.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

#167

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I'll let you test it for me and find out what the long term effects are.

From what I've read ~20% of COVID cases end up with some long term affect, some of which are quite bad and could be permanent. While the vaccine also probably has risks, I personally would rather take my chances with the vaccine instead of infection. At the very least, the vaccine seems less likely to kill me in the very short term.

Where have you read that?

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

#168
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I'd go and get it ASAP, so I resume my life. Anti-vaxxers can isolate themselves forever :)

I'm not anti vaxx. But I totally understand after institution after institution failed us all, that people will be skeptical about a miracle vaccine developed in mere months. I have faith in the scientists, but anyone can see the incentives are dodgy here.

Please cite the lengthy list of institutions that have failed us all.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

#169

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I'll let you test it for me and find out what the long term effects are.

I'll take my chances. My sister-in-law is dead. A brother-in-law is still unsure if we can talk across a room without fainting (6 months ago he was running several miles a day). This is just in my tiny circle of close family. Thousands in a much larger sample of had the vaccine with no side effects anywhere near that bad.

n=1 is irrelevant

I don't care about one persons experiences.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

#170
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Well just like I don't immediately update to the latest OS I think I'll wait for the beta testing to happen :)

Its likely, that, like the flu jab, those most at risk will get it first. The vast majority of diligent users here will not be beta testers. Depending on how it works that is. It might be more effective to jab those most likely to transmit the disease first. (E.g. medical workers, children before Christmas meeting the family) or it might be better to jab those most at risk first.

I am one of those most at risk people and like hell am I going to get it first. It looks like it will be safe but I can weather a few more months self isolation while it is adopted on a more massive scale.
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