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RIAA Obtains Subpoenas Targeting 40 YouTube-Ripping Platforms and Pirate Sites

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Re: RIAA Obtains Subpoenas Targeting 40 YouTube-Ripping Platforms and Pirate Sites

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Post by procombo »

cwkoss wrote: post #151
procombo wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone deeply integrated into the ad serving world, I'd like to remind you that adnauseam traffic is very easy to filter out as noise. Nobody is paying for that traffic.

If someone using adnauseam accidentally clicks an ad (for real), can the ad network count the real click while ignoring the fake ones, or does it poison that users full dataset? What percentage of adnauseam use do you think is filtered? Is it a full 100%?

Any ad network not considering that traffic as fraudulent will shortly go out of business. That's why I say it declaratively.

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Post by giantrobot »

black_puppydog wrote: post #125

I read an interview with Gottfrid Warg (pirate bay co-founder) some years back. Can't find it now... What stuck with me was his disappointment that the wider torrent community simply relied on the pirate bay always making a return. There was no real effort to go beyond resilient hosting. No producing facts by superior technology. It was just a bunch of copy-cats playing whac-a-mole with the copyright industry. To par…

> There's only very few projects (that I know of) that are really addressing resilient, organized, curated content dissemination, and they're essentially divorced from the pirate scene. Too bad I guess.

Why would someone trying to build something like PeerTube Or IPFS want to explicitly support piracy? All that does is bring negative pressure down on them and we see in this very discussion, the MAFIAA is more than happy to abuse laws they wrote to bring pressure. Just because someone is interested in or supportive of peer to peer communication doesn't automatically mean they support piracy.

I'm not trying to say piracy is bad, it is just illegal. As shitty as those laws might be they're still on the books and people face penalties for breaking them.

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Post by procombo »

CompuHacker wrote: post #150
procombo wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone deeply integrated into the ad serving world, I'd like to remind you that adnauseam traffic is very easy to filter out as noise. Nobody is paying for that traffic.

How could it be made to work better?

Don't provide outlier data. What is your goal?

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Post by fsflover »

Eli_P wrote: post #153
fsflover wrote: post #131

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I prefer torrents inside I2P [0], because otherwise my IP will be shown to everyone. I wonder why there are so few people there. It's of course slow, but it's worth it. There are already quite a few torrent trackers. [0] https://geti2p.net

> I wonder why there are so few people Maybe because people understand that it's security model is flawed: the peers in the mesh treat all the other peers as not trusted, that's okay; but the network design doesn't seem to take into account potential hostility of the physical medium itself. Say, your ISP can tarpit packets or shape traffic, or shut down the power or cell tower in your block temporarily, and then meas…

AFAIK garlic routing is still harder to crack than Tor: https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/tor. The main advantage of Tor is the number of users.

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Post by [deleted] »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #36

Let them subpoena, ultimately RIAA is a US entity pursuing civil suits under US laws, no one outside the US should really be worried. Within the US these sites and tools like YouTube-dl are arguably fair use and RIAA knows this, so they will be cautious when pursuing any litigation. It is like the trick the police use - carrying a knife for utility (cutting food, cutting wire, etc) is often not illegal, carrying a kn…

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Post by entropicdrifter »

contravariant wrote: post #159
tremon wrote: post #119

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But as long as the EQ effect of the speaker/microphone setup is constant, an AI should have no problem learning how to restore the original.

That's one big if.

Seriously, the tone can change from just a couple millimeters of difference in microphone or speaker positioning, not to mention the possible variations in room sound due to furniture or other object placement.

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Post by [deleted] »

jk700 wrote: post #90
Santosh83 wrote: post #44

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RIAA does liaise with its counterparts in several other major countries. Ultimately IP owners in all countries want to extract the last drop of profit and more. It is a common human tendency and the US is merely a vanguard of what will eventually be a global reality.

> It is a common human tendency and the US is merely a vanguard of what will eventually be a global reality. No, it's not. The US is the one pushing other countries to implement US-like copyright laws, as it has a huge music and television entertainment industry and exports entertainment and propaganda to other countries. For most countries if they implement everything the US wants it will only hurt them economically…

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Post by gamblor956 »

Vivtek wrote: post #48
Santosh83 wrote: post #40

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No they're winning slowly. Fifteen years back everyone I know could easily download mp3 from various p2p applications. But now the present generation of youngsters seem to think it is Spotify/Amazon or nothing. They haven't even heard of p2p. Similarly Netflix is slowly eating away at torrenting. The platform owners can and will tighten the noose gradually. End users and hackers have much less power than they like to…

But look, this is exactly because Spotify/Amazon/Netflix are responding to reality and providing media at a price point that reflects it. That's a desired outcome.

Note: it's also the industry adapting to reality.

Spotify, Netflix, etc., are possible today because the copyright owners created streaming licenses that recognize that ephemeral access to content is a different use case than downloading. (Streaming licenses are cheap compared to download licenses; my old employer streamed millions of hours of music from the Big 3 labels for a total annual cost of less than $2500.)

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Post by entropicdrifter »

contravariant wrote: post #158
entropicdrifter wrote: post #108

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It makes far more sense to grab a line-out feed rather than using a speaker and a microphone. Otherwise the positioning of the microphone and the exact voice coils of the speaker and microphone would all have a dramatic effect on the EQ curve of the audio, to say nothing of stereo or the ensuing phase issues that crop up when recording audio in real life

Why even use the line-out? You can just plug it into a recording audio driver. Video is harder, mostly because of the bandwidth.

Line-out guarantees that even if there's DRM in the streaming decoder, you're getting the actual audio stripped of all DRM.

It has the simple elegance of writing your DRM protected audio to a CD and then ripping that to MP3, which is a process most non-audio nerds already understand from the DRM iTunes days.

That said, I agree that you could get a slightly more accurate sound with a virtual audio pipe than if you use a DAC/ADC combo, even if modern jitter is negligible

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Post by [deleted] »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #68
Vivtek wrote: post #48

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But look, this is exactly because Spotify/Amazon/Netflix are responding to reality and providing media at a price point that reflects it. That's a desired outcome.

Not really, because Spotify/Amazon/Netflix aren't giving you media, they only rent it out to you. They can and do retroactively take away access to any piece of content, while keeping the money.

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