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Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

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Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#161

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> "When this thread is referenced to a week from now there is no way to see what sort of agreement occurred with either one of us." That just means that people will have to read the comments and decide for themselves based on the merits of the comments. One might argue that that is better than deciding based on points because some people interpret points as assent to the beliefs expressed in the comment while others…

>> That just means that people will have to read the comments and decide for themselves based on the merits of the comments. You imply that the sole benefit of the score would be to allow me to form my own opinion. Whereas I hypothosize that I already know my own opinion - the score allows me to measure the opinion of others. Those who have no opinion of their own are easily swayed, with or without a score, however f…

>"I hypothosize that I already know my own opinion"

I think part of the reason for hiding the points is to affect the process of forming opinions and better facilitate changing opinions already formed - I doubt that the use of scores to confirm one's own opinions is seen as beneficial to the community. For people who believe that scores should reflect the quality of a comment rather than the popularity of the sentiment it expresses your argument tends to support the hiding of scores.

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

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so why cant we start down voting with less karma, as opposed to now it being 500. so more people could counteract your issue. AND i think that if a comment has more upvotes, then they DID win the argument and that should be seen that they won.

I think you're missing the point. Logic wins arguments not upvotes.

yeh, logic wins arguments. but people will upvote the comment that is most logical, which should also be the correct one. if a comment is illogical, then its also incorrect. so basically, the right and logical ones will get upvoted. whule the stupid, illogical, and wrong ones will get downvoted

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

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The readers here tend toward the more sophisticated end of the spectrum, and of course the presence of scores doesn't preclude future readings in depth. We all understand that scores are blunt indicators, but why not have access to that information? Knowing how the community "graded" a particular comment is an interesting piece of meta-information, even if you believe the cognitive anchoring effect diminishes its val…

> high scores are likely to be positively correlated with quality comments, don't you think? "likely ... positive", granted, but strong correlation, no. Keep in mind the change was an experiment to mitigate effects of HN growth and the corresponding trend towards average of audience. The "tend" you mention had been unquestionably moving back to the middle. That said, I don't have a problem with points switching on af…

There are strong opinions and good arguments on both sides. Perhaps we should leave scores hidden, but provide a user preference to turn them on -- after reaching a certain karma level. If one argues that the rapid growth of the site has led to an exaggerated score influence, maybe a "norming" period makes sense. Downvoting privileges have to be "earned," so why not score visibility?

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#164

Without the comment scores we're confronted with a wall of text that is hard to filter. Should I have to read every single comment just to find the gems? Comments scores have their downsides but they make filtering out noise much easier. Unfortunately I don't think everyone has time to judge each comment on its own merits -- there are simply too many comments -- so we need a little crowd-sourced ranking. It does lead…

In my experience, "wall of text" and "TL;DR" began as terms used by those generally uncomfortable with literacy or focused attention. Skimming is a valuable skill, becoming even more important as the world generates information ever faster.

How about just having a finite amount of time in which to read the news?

I'd prefer to focus on attention on filtered comments rather than waste time skimming hundreds of comments.

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#166

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In my experience, "wall of text" and "TL;DR" began as terms used by those generally uncomfortable with literacy or focused attention. Skimming is a valuable skill, becoming even more important as the world generates information ever faster.

How about just having a finite amount of time in which to read the news? I'd prefer to focus on attention on filtered comments rather than waste time skimming hundreds of comments.

Focus on "filtered" comments is a completely different discussion, and offering users an unnumbered slider to set personal threshold for where the grey vs black text divider falls on a percentile line between top and bottom scored remarks of the given thread, would accomplish 90% of what the TL;DR crowd want w/o all the problems of showing scores.

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#167
Ignorance is bliss. I'm happier not knowing that the crowd disagrees with my judgment of a comment's worth.

I also feel like people are avoiding posting crappy comments with the intent of tapping into a popular vein for a high score.

This could be a placebo, or perhaps, if real, it's instead caused by an improvement in voting.

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#168
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People can be wrong about things, and comment scores are useful information that helps us know if they are. "that is not how mysql works" with 2 Points And "that is not how mysql works" with 102 points Are not the same piece of info. I don't see any benefit to hiding this from people. It also helps newbies understand the customs here (they can get feedback on other people's comments) edit now that I'm not on my phone…

I'd venture in the opposite direction as an experiment. Make all posts temporarily anonymous until the thread is closed or less popular. Allow the discussion to exist ONLY according to the merits of the content. Then maybe after a thread is closed or enough time has passed, show the usernames and maybe the points as well.

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#169
Ok I just had another idea, so thought to write it here, in case PG gives it a look. How about showing votes after you took an action on a particular post. Say you upvoted a post, or replied to it, then you are eligible to seeing the points that it has.

This helps because even if in hindsight, I would know if the comment was the general consensus or a popular one or not?

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#170

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How about just having a finite amount of time in which to read the news? I'd prefer to focus on attention on filtered comments rather than waste time skimming hundreds of comments.

Focus on "filtered" comments is a completely different discussion, and offering users an unnumbered slider to set personal threshold for where the grey vs black text divider falls on a percentile line between top and bottom scored remarks of the given thread, would accomplish 90% of what the TL;DR crowd want w/o all the problems of showing scores.

It's not really a different discussions if you viewed scored comments as filtered comments.
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