Doesn't work in Caste based society like in India https://archive.is/VWFSC
China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
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Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
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Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. Such discussions are repetitive, predictable, nasty, and dumb. We're trying for thoughtful conversation here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Are we not supposed to think about the uighur holocaust? Am I not supposed to wonder if the same thing could happen to me? I am the one being thoughtful here. You should know that when you willfully ignore problems, that doesn't actually make them go away. Vanishing my comment is just shameful and childish. All you've demonstrated to me is that HN doesn't want any discussion of human rights abuses. So go ahead and fu…
I understand that it's frustrating, but no, that doesn't follow. The problem is that the signal/noise ratio of internet fulmination is just super low. It doesn't add anything of use. It doesn't contribute to solving any problems. Maybe it provides a little relief to the person venting, but even that doesn't last, and in the meantime it damages the community. That's not in anyone's interest, including yours if you're participating here. Which of course you are welcome to do.
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> this is starting to look like it's going to be just one of those very unfortunate facts of life This reminds me of this quote: "the Führer often informed those like Himmler tasked with implementing the Holocaust that extermination should be implemented as “humanely” as possible.... For Hitler, killing “impersonally” was, according to John Toland, synonymous with doing so “without cruelty.”" https://link.springer.co…
Ya, I can see the connection. If that's true, it's quite interesting, I'm not sure if that makes him seem better or worse. The similarity I'd say is that I'm also emotionally detached from the situation (but intellectually attached - I perceive most people to have the opposite combo, fwiw). Differences I see are that I have no influence in the matter, and I have largely the opposite goals of Hitler. My favorite relev…
You are clearly very intelligent. You could do something else with that. Over a lifetime, you could have an impact on China, through sanctions or whatever.
That, is also, Moloch, of course. But if we can’t but fight, at least fight the good fight.
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#164I'm wary of such articles praising this system. My opinion: Nobody can truly benefit from a system that promotes mass surveillance. It just turns people into sheep.
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#165Doesn't work in Caste based society like in India https://archive.is/VWFSC
India is way too different with any other modern society. Things in there can't become a global trend, and the global trend won't affect them.
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#166I just want to share the news in Hong Kong. The intention for all those solutions just aim to reinforce the authorizatism from CCP.
People will get arrested by storing an image, a slogan, or flag.
You do not have right to conduce bailment or see your lawyer.
All those tools or systems be a powerful weapon to supervising the mind in their national.
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
> this is starting to look like it's going to be just one of those very unfortunate facts of life This reminds me of this quote: "the Führer often informed those like Himmler tasked with implementing the Holocaust that extermination should be implemented as “humanely” as possible.... For Hitler, killing “impersonally” was, according to John Toland, synonymous with doing so “without cruelty.”" https://link.springer.co…
Ya, I can see the connection. If that's true, it's quite interesting, I'm not sure if that makes him seem better or worse. The similarity I'd say is that I'm also emotionally detached from the situation (but intellectually attached - I perceive most people to have the opposite combo, fwiw). Differences I see are that I have no influence in the matter, and I have largely the opposite goals of Hitler. My favorite relev…
I don't know how old you are, but I'm old enough to remember when the Berlin Wall fell. I'm sure you remember 2019, when it seemed impossible that international travel would essentially shut down.
The seeming inevitable isn't. Things change.
> this is starting to look like it's going to be just one of those very unfortunate facts of life
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
#168Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? The goals will be modulated by the persons or groups in power. From what I've seen, the powerful in China seek a stable, well behaved, productive workforce such that the profit from their labor can accrue to the benefit of the ruling class. A data collection system as pervasive as the social credit system that feeds into a self-optimizing control center that can…
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The government isn't targeting people by race. It's targeting people by culture and behavior. You either conform to the affluent chinese westernized lifestyle or they will force you Assimilate. Very similar to what happened to much of the Americas. Race is just a correlation, the causative factor is the culture associated with the race as practitioners of falun gong (who include the Han people) are also targeted. In…
> Race is just a correlation, the causative factor is the culture associated with the race as practitioners of falun gong (who include the Han people) are also targeted. This also happens in America today
Black culture encourages criminal activity in America
Re: China's social credit system is both unique and part of a global trend
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"Chinas' goal is to build a happy society that is more affluent and happy than the US but has less freedoms." It seems this is the case if you're Han Chinese only.
Not only that. Not only non-Han Chinese face oppression (Uyghurs, Tibetans, Mongolians [1]), but lower class Han are also not well treated [2]. Point is, we should not judge the progress of China based on its most affluent class. Things are much more messy behind the cover. And when we try to see the full picture, China is less and less a role model for others to follow. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/31/world/…
Since when you want to have a developing world as a model for others (developed world) for follow? There is a reason developing world is called developing world. And it doesn't mean a developing country should not follow China's approach to multiple issues.