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Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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Are you implying they're not connected, that discrimination and diversity are unrelated? Your wording makes it sound like some kind of political debate trap you're setting. FWIW, I'm uninterested in arguing here why and whether there should be such laws, or justifying efforts to prevent discrimination. The existence of these laws is a fact, and you're free to study the history and legal precedents for why they exist.…

No. He's implying that the fact something is a law doesn't mean your employer should lecture you about it.

Why? Isn't making people aware of laws how you abide by them? The risk of not educating people and being caught ignoring abuses is fairly serious. Broadly speaking, some of the laws we're talking about are laws that specifically require making employees aware of their existence.

Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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Facebook wants their employees to stop talking about politics, even though Facebook by its nature takes stances on deeply political topics. How exactly do you avoid political discussion when you're asking what constitutes hate speech, whether a US president should be allowed to violate Facebook's content guidelines, or to what extent governments can spread misinformation in other countries? If you work at Facebook, y…

> How exactly do you avoid political discussion when you're asking what constitutes hate speech, whether a US president should be allowed to violate Facebook's content guidelines, or to what extent governments can spread misinformation in other countries? These issues are not part of your job description. You were hired to write Javascript, not to set corporate strategy. Sit in your seat, content yourself with the $5…

No one is forced to work for Facebook.

Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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Facebook wants their employees to stop talking about politics, even though Facebook by its nature takes stances on deeply political topics. How exactly do you avoid political discussion when you're asking what constitutes hate speech, whether a US president should be allowed to violate Facebook's content guidelines, or to what extent governments can spread misinformation in other countries? If you work at Facebook, y…

Facebook employee here. You can definitely continue talking about any company business or decisions, even if they have political relevance, as you did before. This change only applies to discussions completely unrelated to work.

Sure. You don't boil the frog all at once.

Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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Not getting it is not the same thing as immune.

What is it, then? Later edit: To add to my comment, what do you call sleeping in the same bed, eating from the same plate and having direct physical contact with a person who gets the virus and ends up in IC or dead while the other person tests negative for the virus? Let's not forget that ever since February we've all known that this virus is particularly easy to transmit/get, so you cannot say "that person got real…

You have no scientific evidence to support your claims. Take your L and stop spreading misinformation.

Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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Banning a harmful substance, and banning a platform for communication are not comparable. There is no shortage of sites that will take Facebook's place. What is the legislation you propose to prevent Facebook, or the millions of other existing or soon-to-be existing apps, from doing harm to people?

> Banning a harmful substance, and banning a platform for communication are not comparable. OK, consider gambling. That is simply a kind of software that enables people to engage in behavior that turns out to be harmful for a large number of them. And, because of that fact, it is heavily regulated. > What is the legislation you propose to prevent Facebook, or the millions of other existing or soon-to-be existing apps…

Well that's all I'm asking for here. A practical proposal.

Removing tetraethyl lead was certainly doable. Removing every car from the road was not. One was a targeted change that improved the industry, while the latter was so impractical that they never considered it.

Here's a thought - you assume a priori that shutting down social media would be a net win. How did you come to that conclusion? Did you spare a thought for the people who's social lives revolve around spending time with friends online? You'd advocate for taking away these people's social networks because you're certain you know what's best for them?

Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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>Facebook by its nature takes stances on deeply political topics. Why is that "by its nature"? I don't think that's "by its nature" at all. Phone companies and ISPs facilitate communication between people, but that doesn't necessitate they take political stances on what communication to allow. Why should Facebook? If certain language should be restricted, then laws should be written restricting said language and Face…

But Facebook does take a stance, no? As an example, they probably have used their platforms to show pro-LGTB propaganda (I haven't checked). That shows a clear political leaning in their staff.

Being pro "treating people with basic human dignity" should not be a political stance, but here we are.

Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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Facebook wants their employees to stop talking about politics, even though Facebook by its nature takes stances on deeply political topics. How exactly do you avoid political discussion when you're asking what constitutes hate speech, whether a US president should be allowed to violate Facebook's content guidelines, or to what extent governments can spread misinformation in other countries? If you work at Facebook, y…

> How exactly do you avoid political discussion when you're asking what constitutes hate speech, whether a US president should be allowed to violate Facebook's content guidelines, or to what extent governments can spread misinformation in other countries? These issues are not part of your job description. You were hired to write Javascript, not to set corporate strategy. Sit in your seat, content yourself with the $5…

Betters, haha

Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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I've just been given an offer from Facebook and I have a few days to decide to take the job or not. The ethical implications of what I'm doing are intense. On one hand, a near 400k total comp package is very nice, but on the other hand I don't want to make the world worse off. I think if I could make that kind of money working from home for another company it'd be an easier decision. Unfortunately, I have to play the hand I'm dealt.

Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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I cannot say something into one end of the telephone, and depending on the content of my message, not have it delivered on the other end. That's the difference.

Some govs cut off your phone if you say certain keywords.

Which?

Re: FB to curb internal debate over sensitive issues amid employee discord

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> Facebook by its nature takes stances on deeply political topics I use Facebook to say in touch with old friends. If they want to share last Tucker's video, not sure why FB should block them if I don't block them.

Imagine if it wasn’t a Fox News talking head, but an incendiary video built on falsehoods being spread to incite violence - or what if it’s 2011 again and ISIS beheading videos are being shared and supposing the evidence showed they were causing ISIS recruitment to increase?

That should be OK. If my friend wants to send it to me, why shouldn't he be allowed to?
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