Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri • Hacker News Board

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by samzer » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:16 PM UTC

frosted-flakes wrote: post #39

orev wrote: post #35

Watch “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix, see how far off the rails the industry has gone, then come back and tell me that Apple is the bad guy here. Someone needs to start standing up for what’s right, and Apple is probably the only one with the size and cash reserves to be able to do it. For all the free market cheerleaders, remember this: we already have laws in place preventing or regulating businesses from engaging…

You can support a company for some of its actions while also condemning it for others. It's totally legitimate to be on Epic's side in the Apple vs Epic lawsuit while also supporting Apple's privacy measures.

Yep. Totally agree.

I appreciate apple's attempt in the privacy space as well as loathe their 30% mandatory in app purchase integration which EPIC is fighting against. You need someone who is big like Epic to stand against apple as they the resource to battle it out legally.

One of my clients is a small player and they have stripe integration for their service. The android platform uses the stripe integration where as the apple platform has forced in app purchases down their throat. In app purchases should be an option and it should be upto the customer if they want to use it or not.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by oarsinsync » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:17 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #150

spicyramen wrote: post #142

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+1 to it, SV culture is racist now against white people. Stop looking at color we are all the same inside if cut open

Saying that there's racism against whites, especially in SV, is shortsighted at best, malicious at worst. No, you're not discriminated as a white dude in STEM. You're in fact the most privileged of the privileged. Stfu. - another white dude in STEM

It’s difficult for someone who has taken a 20% loss to not feel aggrieved by another who’s taken a 100% gain.

Even if the person taking the loss started at 100 and ended up at 80, while the person making the gain started at 20 and ended up at 40.

You’re still going to feel persecuted at 80 because of the relative loss. The human mind is super resilient and adaptable. That can be less helpful when it’s adapting to good things, making it the new baseline normal.

One thing I think most people can agree on: relative to recent history, 2020 has been a pretty bad year.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:18 PM UTC

oarsinsync wrote: post #153

falcolas wrote: post #135

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They don’t get a commission for the sale of the Fortnight software, or for marketing Fortnight on their own dime; do you believe that they don’t deserve to get any commissions for providing Fortnight a platform and publicity?

As a developer, I have no desire for Apple to market my software for me. Fortunately for me, Apple has never chosen to highlight and market my software for me. Unfortunately for me, they’re still taking 30% of the revenue for distribution alone, and there’s absolutely no way that’s fair, given that I can self distribute on every other platform for about 4%. I already have a cloud footprint as my apps depend on it. Th…

Epic tried “self distributing” on Android with side loading. Guess how that worked out?

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by chutsu » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:19 PM UTC

vsareto wrote: post #144

bobobob420 wrote: post #138

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Why bring up the skin color of the people in the show? What relevance does it have? And I am brown Incase you were wondering as I know skin color is important to you

Diversity in tech is a problem and this show was reinforcing that.

What are you on about? The show is about how Apps are made addicitve regardless of race, why are you pulling the race card when the tech is indiscriminant? Its like saying I shouldn't watch a documentary on the NBA cause the documentary is not diverse enough, where are all the brown, white, yellow people at? xD

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by oarsinsync » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:19 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #160

oarsinsync wrote: post #157

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> And in the US, that lawsuit went nowhere and they never stopped bundling IE Your specificity of “in the US” suggests you know that’s not how it went down in the rest of the world, and that they did infact have to stop bundling IE (and other components) in other countries / regional blocs.

And that also did little good in the EU where they had browser choice... https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/technology/11eubrowser.ht...

What did it look like a year after, two years after, five years after, when compared to the US market?

A single datapoint doesn’t tell the whole story.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by BlueTemplar » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

atty wrote: post #100

ComodoHacker wrote: post #76

Honest question: Does Facebook app on iOS need IDFA that much? A user is logged in and identified anyway, Facebook can deliver personalized ads. Facebook loses data about user activity outside Facebook, but is it so important? Isn't in-platform data not enough to personalize ads?

I might be wrong about this, but it’s my impression that Facebook tries really hard to track everything possible, not just what you’re doing on FB/IG/WA, using those silly like/share buttons people embed everywhere, and other technologies. Considering their vehement arguments against this change in iOS, I’d guess they think those off-platform streams of information are quite important. And I can see why - a user migh…

I remember a study showing that 25% of the top 100 Android apps were sending data to Facebook.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by BlueTemplar » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

return1 wrote: post #131

Apple seems to be on a PR offensive after a few weeks of bad press and it seems they are employing their usual bloggers to entertain the developer audience. I dunno why devs participate in this PR circus. And btw the author is wrong about comparing to facebook’s platform, which is still the most open, free to use large platform out there.

That's a bit like saying "the most open, free" jail...

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by vsareto » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:29 PM UTC

chutsu wrote: post #164

vsareto wrote: post #144

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Diversity in tech is a problem and this show was reinforcing that.

What are you on about? The show is about how Apps are made addicitve regardless of race, why are you pulling the race card when the tech is indiscriminant? Its like saying I shouldn't watch a documentary on the NBA cause the documentary is not diverse enough, where are all the brown, white, yellow people at? xD

>when the tech is indiscriminant

It sometimes isn't, but why did they put 3 white dudes in charge of messing with someone's life when they know that's the prevailing stereotype of SV engineers?

Could it be that they were trying to capitalize on that stereotype for shock value? I'd think so.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by higerordermap » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:30 PM UTC

residentfoam wrote: post #154

I stand with Apple! I deleted my FB account years ago, never used Instagram. Unfortunately I am forced to use WhatsUp because of my family :( . I think it is time to put a stop at this selling user data business. Selling user data and ads is not an Apple business, so I trust Apple vs Google, where the majority of their revenue comes from ads.

Apple has to share your data with advertising partners whereas your data doesn't leave Google.

Apple patents trivial programming language features and curved phone corners.

Apple deceptive marketing is well known.

Google has actually contributed lot more than Apple to open source.

There is a FOSS app store for android, because it is not a walled garden like iOS.

There is privacy, as in Linux culture, and there is "Privacy!!" as in apple marketing.

I am not affiliated to Google. But the hate they get here is undeserved.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Post by falcolas » Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 4:31 PM UTC

nogabebop23 wrote: post #152

falcolas wrote: post #135

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They don’t get a commission for the sale of the Fortnight software, or for marketing Fortnight on their own dime; do you believe that they don’t deserve to get any commissions for providing Fortnight a platform and publicity?

I guess this is the crux: are they providing a platform and marketing, or are the gate-keeping rent seekers between the developer and their customers?

Honestly, both positions are arguable. But, and it's a big but, the fact that it is their hardware and their OS points to the former (their platform, their marketing).

Ultimately, it's their storefront, so who they do business with - and the terms of that business - is their choice (as is so often argued when free speech and platforms comes up here on HN). Competition exists, in the form of other hardware and other OSes (though, Epic's Fortnight was kicked off Google's store for the same reason as it was kicked off Apple's).