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'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by tlear »

kombucha111 wrote: post #106
cwhiz wrote: post #51

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Police are making it a battleground? Not the people throwing Molotov cocktails, fireworks, and bricks. No, it is the police who have made it a battleground.

the police have been making it worse. Using questionable tactics, using disproportionate force, lieing, inciting/supporting one side over the other, using beyond questionable reasoning for declaring a riot, using agent provocateur ...i could go on. Check out Blue Leaks as well. The fact is the majority of the media covering Portland are not showing the whole story.

Well cops left in Seattle and let Marxist larpers have a go. Couple dead people later that had to be ended. Well that and looting with a good doze of racketeering(protection money) and assaults on whoever did not look like they fit

Watch the video where they executed one kid, the other who was shot lived because I guess he looked dead so they did not give him coup de grace

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Post by compiler-guy »

watwut wrote: post #126
compiler-guy wrote: post #107

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At least one thing that you do is allow others the freedom you want for yourself.

What freedom you have in mind? Afaik the exchange was 1.) about whether police can be blanket assumed to be the "good guys" due to that being presumed original intent. 2.) Whether and how ir is legitimate to protest if they are not "good" in practice. I am not asking for any special freedom. I do find second question interesting and complicated. I do have own answer to question one (namely that blanket trust is super…

The freedom I have in mind is the freedom to film in public.

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Post by sremani »

sudonim wrote: post #58

There’s reason to be skeptical. From a local Portland journalist covering the protests: https://twitter.com/alex_zee/status/1302284883625046016?s=21 “ Not that I want to legitimize this @reason piece, but I have filmed copious moments of ppl throwing things at police/vandalizing bldgs/etc & have never been told I’m not allowed to film. I have never heard of the so-called “IPC.” The lack of sourcing in this story show…

Apparently @alex_zee is no objective observer and has participated in disinformation.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300617725354504192

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Post by mStreamTeam »

formercoder wrote: post #109
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #78

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I think this is a natural, human tendency. Us vs. them. Tribalism. That sort of thing.

Certainly. I even catch myself doing it too. I’ve had to develop a kind of framework for considering political issues to avoid it: What’s best for me? What’s best for my family? What’s best for my community? What’s best for my country? What’s best for the planet? Often these questions have contradicting answers. However once I think through them, I can at least begin to structure an opinion.

I find it more concerning how quickly people forget the past. In 2016 BLM was responsible for a mass shooting in Dallas and most people I know already forgot this fact.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_poli...

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Post by jes »

youareostriches wrote: post #73
amadeuspagel wrote: post #31

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And therefore protestors have a right to prevent them from filming in a public space?

Oh sure, the Daily Caller certainly has a right to complain. They just shouldn’t expect anyone to take them seriously about their intentions to report without bias.

All reporting is biased, even when people strive to avoid it.

To be human is to have biases and preferences, even if you are unaware of them.

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Post by Twixes »

Yetanfou wrote: post #71
zaroth wrote: post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

> There can be a concept of “BLM” that is obviously right and important to support, while there is also a well organized radical contingent taking cover within BLM that is wreaking havoc on the streets and will bully or beat up anyone who stands up to them (police or bystander alike). For starters I'd suggest not putting black lives matter in capitals since that acronym covers both the tautological expression as well…

Yes, on the face it's tautological. In reality it isn't, because black lives clearly do not matter as much as white ones, particularly to the police, but also to many other institutions public and private alike. That's what the struggle is for, and behind it is an unorganized popular movement, not any "Marxist" organization.

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Post by kombucha111 »

cwhiz wrote: post #149
kombucha111 wrote: post #144

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So one person throwing a bottle is a reason to declare a riot? This has happened. Who decides when an assembly ought to be declared a riot? Currently its police and they have shown time and again they cannot be relied on to make a sound judgement in that regard. The majority of time there has been little reason to declare a riot and instead of relieving the tension, government forces have stoked it. What about using…

It’s simple. We have rules and regulations on how to assemble in public. They differ from city to city and state to state but the information isn’t hard to find. Typically you need a permit if your assembly is more than 20 people but that’s not universal. And an assembly in the middle of the night is almost certainly not peaceful or allowed. People are trying to make it grey to apologize for what is happening.

So do you think that such a simple approach would work to create change? What about free speech zones? Do those kinds of assemblies mean anything to those in power? Is a protest that doesn't have a permit still unlawful to you even if it were 100pc idealistically peaceful? Do you believe had there been meaningful change in the first 30 days, people wouldn't still be put protesting? What about the upcoming Proud Boy gathering, this does not have a permit. Are they not allowed either? There are plenty of instances where a demonstration doesn't need a permit like if you aren't blocking traffic or the demonstration is under a certain amount. These are genuine questions.

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Post by blurbleblurble »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #134
zaroth wrote: post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

I don’t live in Portland so obviously none of this worries me all that much. My city has had bad riots but they passed and actually things are much better now. I expect even a lot of people in Portland are upset by it, but aren’t in immediate near-term danger. I don’t believe that these riots are going to spread nationwide and result in a breakdown of society, even if sensationalist news stories tell you that’s going…

He even said he'd send armed personnel to watch the polls :(

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Post by dalbasal »

zaroth wrote: post #133
dalbasal wrote: post #94

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"these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white." This is one of the main phenomenon of an issue becoming "political," or what Orwell called "nationalism" in a clunky-but-brilliant essay. It's a "with us or against us" dynamic. Every fact, opinion or take can only be an argument for or against a position. When it's at pea…

Is this the essay you were referring to? https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

yep

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Post by dalbasal »

liability wrote: post #108
dalbasal wrote: post #94

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"these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white." This is one of the main phenomenon of an issue becoming "political," or what Orwell called "nationalism" in a clunky-but-brilliant essay. It's a "with us or against us" dynamic. Every fact, opinion or take can only be an argument for or against a position. When it's at pea…

> The CNN siege in NY I believe that was in Atlanta.

my mistake.
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