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Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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I think the books you read and your annotations should definitely be protected. Imagine reading about Tienanmen Square in China.

Simply purchasing/owning a book on that topic would be enough for an oppressive government like China, they wouldn't need to know where in the book you were exactly.

Some books sold in China are edited for that market. If you highlight a passage that shouldn't be in your book, you could be in trouble.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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Maybe I am getting less fervent about privacy and data security but I don't see these metrics as PII. This is a complete whataboutism but you gave Amazon a lot more information when you purchased the kindle from them. I think the answer is Amazon should add an option to turn this off.

> you gave Amazon a lot more information when you purchased the kindle from them.

Kindles are sold in physical locations – at least in the EU, many Kindle owners got their device from a local electronics shop. You don't necessarily have to order them from Amazon. Then, when you unbox it, there is no requirement to register with Amazon or even connect to the internet at all.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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I have quite often seen people here and on other tech forums assume that purchasing a Kindle means being locked into Amazon's ecosystem, giving up personal details, and having the risk that your books might be deleted. But you don't have to use the Kindle's internet connectivity: I have owned three generations of Kindle, and with each one I activated airplane mode the second I unboxed the device and I never turned ai…

Why buy a kindle at all then? Any cheap budget tablet can read ebooks and stay off the internet.

I haven't seen any cheap budget tablet that even comes close to the quality of a Kindle Paperwhite for reading.

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That's how every company rationalizes the mass collection of user data. "Oh lets collect many terabytes of every user-action in case we need to one day discontinue a feature". It's a book. You don't need to collect and track every fucking action I do to find out if your stupid highlighter is being used in Poland.

Whether you like it or not this collection does lead to better products - that is why you think every company does it because those that don’t usually die out. Understanding your users is vitally important. Privacy LARPers are a tiny segment of the market, the average person doesn’t really care if their ‘usage of the highlighter function is tracked’

There’s an important distinction to make: this tracking doesn’t necessarily lead to better products, it leads to better business metrics.

Sometimes a better product comes out of better business metrics, but other times they’re directly opposed.

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This statement - "None of these requests appear to be used for customer features like last read location." - bugs me, because it's fairly obviously false, and detracts from the real concerns. To sync a "last read page" across devices, you need to send a location back to Amazon. It's also appropriate to tie a location to a device, so you can pick the appropriate device to sync your position from. And, when you highlig…

Why is syncing across devices not opt-in? Why doesn't Kindle tell you which data it sends and when?

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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This statement - "None of these requests appear to be used for customer features like last read location." - bugs me, because it's fairly obviously false, and detracts from the real concerns. To sync a "last read page" across devices, you need to send a location back to Amazon. It's also appropriate to tie a location to a device, so you can pick the appropriate device to sync your position from. And, when you highlig…

I honestly don't mind the FUD as long as user don't have options. Amazon deserves the bad press in that case. Kindle is an awesome screen reader, but such features make it a bad device. A good device just had an option "sync usage data to Amazon account" . People suggest it is a technical impossibility.

It is just a shame that you have no options. Had to quickly search if my kindle has GPS capabilities. Gladly it does not.

"Kindle Collects a Surprisingly Large Amount of Data" is a completely honest and in my opinion correct statement. So yes, companies are dishonest in their data collection practices and responding with exaggeration is maybe wrong. But I do care more about the data collection issue.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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I have quite often seen people here and on other tech forums assume that purchasing a Kindle means being locked into Amazon's ecosystem, giving up personal details, and having the risk that your books might be deleted. But you don't have to use the Kindle's internet connectivity: I have owned three generations of Kindle, and with each one I activated airplane mode the second I unboxed the device and I never turned ai…

I have also owned three generations of Kindle! Like you, I've never taken any of them online.

Never supply a wifi connection during setup, and instead immediately engage airplane mode. USB transfer is easy with something like Calibre, which also handily converts ePub to Mobi for Kindle use.

It used to be that you could buy Kindle books and download them to your computer for transfer to the Kindle via USB, but they seem to have made that more difficult in the last year or two. Other sources still work fine, though.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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As a former Kindle developer, I can say that most of what's mentioned in this article are metrics used to understand how the features are used (bookmarks, highlights, dictionnary, etc.), how much they are used, and in which country. This allows the teams to focus on features that are actively used, and sometimes lead to discontinuing features that see little to no use. Hope that helps.

I don't care how they are used honestly, I care about options to disable it.

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My kindle is in airplane mode since I opened its box and I send books to it via usb. No one is forcing you to use amazon services, I didn't even pay for the ad free version but I've never seen an ad.

I've actually found it quite challenging to purchase books to put on my Kindle that aren't from Amazon, since they use a proprietary format.

I had completely forgotten that .mobi is proprietary!

In principle, you're absolutely right. In practice, .mobi is easy to generate, modify, fold, spindle, and mutilate with free/Free software.

Even Amazon's .azw is just mobi with * replacing $.

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