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Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Where are the parents?

Caving to marketing designed to make children nag their parents.

When I was a kid my parents only let me watch PBS. No saturday morning cartoons -> no sugary cereal commercials -> no desire/nagging for sugary cereal.

Install adblockers on any computer your kids use. Cancel your cable television subscription. Deny these corporations the opportunity to pump their propaganda into your kids.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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This is a good idea, and the people in the comments are rightly pointing out sugar's problems. But just as problematic as sugar are vegetable oils which are in almost every packaged product you can buy at the grocery store. They cause all sorts of health problems because the vegetable oils are extremely reactive (due to being unsaturated fats and so having double bonds that can react with other molecules inside your…

*refined sugar, not all sugar. sugar in a whole fruit aren't bad, the fibers in the fruit help your body break down and absorb the sugar over a longer period of time. just don't eat refined food.

Any kind of concentrated sugar product is going to be unhealthy regardless of the process that got it there. Fresh squeezed orange juice and honey aren't refined, but they're still much too sweet to be consuming large quantities of.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Mexico is known for disregarding laws on alcohol sales to minors..what exactly do they expect the outcome of this to be? Just another way for the police to steal money from the poor. Great job.

"People disgard laws. Whats the point of laws? Laws are for police making money." The problem is the law enforcement, not the laws.

Agreed, but laws cannot be created in a vacuum. You must take the real world into account, and take a practical approach.

As someone who knows a little bit about Mexico, this seems like a law that completely ignores reality.

Would you agree that government should avoid creating laws that in practice do more harm than good, even if the idea behind the law is good and just?

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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This is a good idea, and the people in the comments are rightly pointing out sugar's problems. But just as problematic as sugar are vegetable oils which are in almost every packaged product you can buy at the grocery store. They cause all sorts of health problems because the vegetable oils are extremely reactive (due to being unsaturated fats and so having double bonds that can react with other molecules inside your…

Source on harmful effects of polyunsaturated fatty acids? Had trouble finding it through Google (maybe was searching for the wrong thing)

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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17 years ago there was a candy or confection sold in Mexico containing lead. I know this because I briefly contracted to a California state agency charged with reducing lead poisoning among children. Apparently lead, like many metals, imparts a kind of sweet taste, which is why there was, and probably still is, a problem with children eating old flaking paint containing lead.

I have not followed this situation since. Does anyone know if this confection is still legal and available in Mexico? This was a lot more dangerous than any junk food.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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How are tacos unhealthy? It is mainly just meat in a corn tortilla.

There's typically relatively little meat and they are mostly carbs.

Have you been to Mexico? Or even SoCal?

I don't think I recall having eaten any of near thousand tacos, even those for $0.50, that had "relatively little meat" and "are mostly carbs" and most often heard the sentiment of not understanding how you were getting such a great deal from non-natives, and natives typically informing inquirers that that's just... how things are and have been.

Maybe deeper in South America? I don't know, haven't been and haven't done much research. But North America? I very much disagree with you and believe that most others would too.

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It's worked. Almost no-one I know smokes, and it's uncool to smoke.

Do you not see why this comment is complete anecdata?

Do you not see that anecdata is also sometimes correlated with real data? That we may be able to look around us and at life experience and observe real trends?

Here's what I get from some quick googling.

Decline in underage drinking, 1991-2013: https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/surveillance101/Unde...

Youth use of cigarettes declining (though I believe I have read that vaping counter-acts this trend when looking at all nicotine products): https://www.hhs.gov/ash/oah/adolescent-development/substance...

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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It's a parenting issue then, because saying 'no' to a nagging child is basic parenting, always has been.

Parenting issue or not we protect children with laws all the time. Think no further than alcohol and tobacco products whose sale to minors is banned. Sure we could say "where are the parents" but that's not how reality works and good solutions are the one that work in reality not on paper. Without legal push to make everyone work in unison there will always be an entity (a corporation) willing to invest enough to pus…

You're ignoring the point. The issue is one of culture (and parenting when it comes to children), in Mexico and in all other countries.

Corporations are an easy scapegoat that also fits a political ideology on the left.

It's also a complete fallacy to claim that people cannot see through things. People are not stupid they know that it is their diet that makes them fat. People deserve at least this credit and respect.

Alcohol and cigarettes sales to children are obviously completely different and a very poor analogy.

So... Following the logic, either we accept that people are free to make their own decisions, that parents are responsible for their children, or we take children away from parents because the state knows best.

Personally I think we should do the maximum we can to teach good diets at schools, and perhaps provide classes for adults, and to label products then people can do whatever they want but live with the consequences.

But I think the likely outcome (as we start to see in some countries), which must be politically acceptable and cheap, will be similar to the path taken for cigarettes: PR campaigns and tax. This is a way to let people do what they want while nudging them, and to let them pay for the consequences (healthcare where it is financed through tax).

When it comes to children parents won't be blamed (although they should be) because this is not good to win votes. It will be easier to continue blaming ads and corporations, and to ban things.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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This is a good idea, and the people in the comments are rightly pointing out sugar's problems. But just as problematic as sugar are vegetable oils which are in almost every packaged product you can buy at the grocery store. They cause all sorts of health problems because the vegetable oils are extremely reactive (due to being unsaturated fats and so having double bonds that can react with other molecules inside your…

After 40 everything once was good/tasty needs to be reduced a lot and or cut out of our diets. Our U.S. arteries are clogged no matter if your obese or not.
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