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Apple doesn’t always get 30%. Retailers selling iTunes gift cards get a cut. You can guess their cut when they have 15% discounts.

Let me rephrase it: Epic loses 30%. In this case, like, $500M+.

Epic can sell iTunes gift cards and earn back some of that 30%.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Companies shouldn't be allowed to fire customers that blatantly break rules the customer agreed to?

Usually when you fire a customer they can go to one of your competitors. This just proves Epic's argument. There is no competing App Store on iOS because it's not allowed. If Apple "fires" you then your users can no longer install the app onto their own phones. Imagine if Microsoft "fired" Adobe and as a result nobody could install Photoshop on Windows anymore.

Microsoft can fire game developers from Xbox.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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It seems to me Epic's goal here is to get Apple to allow side-loading on iOS. But I happen to disagree with this remedy. I see no reason to set aside Apple's Property rights with regard to their app store. My solution to this issue would require Apple to be forced disclose all technical documentation needed to write an independent operating system. Of course to be fair, this would apply to every computerized device sold in the USA.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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This clearly and unambiguously crosses the line into abuse of market power. Epic is taking them to court. What did they expect, a nice thank you and a pat on the head.

You don't get to use retaliatory behavior to discourage lawsuits, in this form, especially as a service provider. If they wanted to sue Epic back over frivolous patent violations, they're allowed, but if you're going to engage in retaliatory behavior you can't do it in a way that violates your own ToS.

It's not retaliation although that's how Epic are trying to portray it. It's a straightforward breach of contract on Epic's part and Apple are invoking the termination clause.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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You can still play on PS4, XBox, and PC. I think Epic will be fine.

If Epic devs are running macs, do you need a developer license to run XCode? I'm not sure the repercussions of losing their Apple developer accounts, but I imagine it's not pleasant. https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1295434558112960519 > Epic says that included in the tools that Apple will revoke is the Unreal Engine that hundreds of third party developers use. "Apple’s actions will irreparably damage Epic’s reputa…

I run a mac and I don't use XCode.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Sorry, to clarify, I wasn't trying to imply that what Epic did wasn't against the TOS. My point was that Apple has the authority not to terminate Epic, but has chosen to do so, even when they've allowed other apps that have done things against the TOS to retain their developer account.

There's a way to cure a breach in the license agreement, and other developers that have run afoul of the rules and were notified made fixes that brought them back into compliance with the agreement. Epic has made it particularly clear that they do not intend to cure the breach, and Apple has made it clear that in that case they are not welcome to have an Apple Developer Program account and the permissions that grants…

I think we're on the same page here. Are you saying that the application of Apple's TOS can't be considered retaliation since it's something Epic agreed to be held to?

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Companies shouldn't be allowed to fire customers that blatantly break rules the customer agreed to?

Usually when you fire a customer they can go to one of your competitors. This just proves Epic's argument. There is no competing App Store on iOS because it's not allowed. If Apple "fires" you then your users can no longer install the app onto their own phones. Imagine if Microsoft "fired" Adobe and as a result nobody could install Photoshop on Windows anymore.

They are trying here to separate iOS from Apple devices which is being deceitful. There is nothing Apple is doing that prevents them from running on an Android phone.

That is the key here, Epic and some others are trying to change how Apple has implemented their device. iOS and the hardware are part and parcel. You don't get to choose which OS you run as it was never designed to support such action.

iOS was never an open OS, you cannot legally install it on other devices either.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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> Apple needed that 30 percent cut to monitor for fraud and quality or something, going above-and-beyond other payment processors. How much do Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Steam, Gog and etc. take from publishers on their stores?

Microsoft takes 5% since last year. https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2019/03/06/update...

Except games and Xbox:

"The new fee structure excludes all games and any purchases on Xbox consoles."

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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For years, people have applauded the walled garden of Apple and this is the end result. Without flamethrower you wil not get out of it. The walls have to go down. They are probably beting on that by this charade the entire industry turns against Apple and a boycott ensues, leaving them no choice to change their margins (and other marketplaces will adjust accordingly or the angry mob comes for them). I doubt Epic stan…

> For years, people have applauded the walled garden of Apple and this is the end result. Without flamethrower you wil not get out of it.

I applaud apples walled garden on iOS and have no intention of getting out of it. I’m happy that at least one of my parents is in that garden, and my wife, too. There’s everything they need in that garden and at least it’s comparatively easy to keep up to date and safe. Otherwise I’d have to go play tech support even more often than I still need to.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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I don't think they planned this well at all. It feels like rage fueled flailing they didn't think through. What is it going to do for Epic's cash flow if they're not allowed on any app stores for literal years while court cases filter through? What is it going to do for their game store and engine selling business to be indefinitely evicted from the Apple ecosystem entirely? Were I a company using Unreal Engine to de…

At this point in the fight, Epic has not fired its biggest cannon: announcing that Unreal Engine 5 will not support any Apple hardware. So at this point, there is uncertainty, but no clear harm done to any developer using Unreal engine and currently targeting Mac hardware.

UE5 not supporting any Apple hardware would hurt Epic far more than Apple as a result, as it would just drive mobile games back to Unity, which is already the market leader in the mobile space.
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