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Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Starlink can't handle that many people, so it's a moot point that there are a theoretical 41 million potential customers. You can build out landlines far more easily than you can launch satellites; you just need the cable/fiber and some guys to dig a trench. The reason it hasn't happened is because it's not worth the financial investment without government subsidies (and this is why the federal government provides so…

> You can build out landlines far more easily than you can launch satellites; Each satellite costs SpaceX about $250K to build and $500K to launch and services thousands of customers. That same $750K might buy you a mile or so of trenching and cable. Many rural customers need multiple miles each.

Century link quotes me about $5K / mile of copper (I assume). But they will only give me dial tone, not internet, because their equipment is saturated (rural Montana).

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Main advantage of Starlink over existing satellite is a (much) lower latency. Starlink constellation is flying by with a new satellite overhead every 10 minutes or less, and they're operating just above the atmosphere. Musk has claimed 20ms latency, which if true, would be absolutely a smash victory for rural Internet users everywhere.

That would have been absolutely awesome. If memory serves me right, my latency was around 150ms on average, which was ok-ish but not great.

On satellite right now. I'm getting ~600ms latency :(

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Ya, the 11Mbps side of it is very disappointing. That's pretty in-line with slow DSL and existing satellite connections. The latency will be interesting to see too, since that was the boldest claim Musk made with this venture. The article seems to have cherry picked the best speedtests to show in their graphic - I'm curious what real-world in-application latencies are, ie. inside Call Of Duty Modern Warefare or somet…

11mbps is amazing for what this is. Sure, it's "slow DSL" speed, but if you can get slow DSL you don't care about satellite internet. This is for all the places in the world that you can't get 4G cell service, let alone DSL. 11mbps plus a ping time of sub100 ms means that most people could telework anywhere in the world, even in the middle of an ocean. Unless your job requires you to download/upload huge amounts of d…

OK maybe, but Elon promised 1Gbps speeds. 11Mbps is very, very far cry from that.

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It’s better than the DSL AT&T provides in some parts of SF where “you’re too far from the CO, you’re maxed out at 12”.

LOL, try Verizon-level of rural infrastructure neglect. I paid for a guaranteed 3,300Kb/s down, 768Kb/s up. I usually got 900Kb/s down, and 150Kb/s up. to quote the linesman who had the shit job of patching together the literal 1930's(!) phone lines," I was told by corporate to absolutely not replace any lines unless they're taken out by a drunk or a tree. the cable on that spool I pull behind my truck is going to go…

Man that's bad, here in Switzerland my Line was upgraded to 10Gbs from 1 and i was mad that the router just had four 1Gbs and one 2.5Gbs cable ports...so i had to buy the business model router with fiber LAN (witch i like much more..thinner cables).

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Anyone complaining about this has never experienced the frustration of rural living when it comes to internet. This is absolutely amazing, and it will just get better. Even a reliable 10mbps would be a godsend in many places.

I am with one of the world’s biggest telcos, Telstra, on a fully owned and operated fibre-to-the-premises network. I live in a decade old estate half an hour from the centres of the third and sixth largest cities in the country.

The maximum upload speed currently on sale on that network is 1 Mbps. And it’s a monopoly. Inequality in Internet access aside, that maximum is below the average fixed upload speed of 170 out of 170 countries listed by Speedtest.net.

1 Mbps. I did three months of complaining and got 5 Mbps. The local regulator doesn’t care because even though they’re not actively selling it, said monopoly network is “capable of 5 Mbps”.

Contention aside, this and 5G will be important for those jailed by infrastructure monopolists. Here an extreme example, but the same is true across North America too, for instance. Rural users sure, but this can extend beyond that.

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There is a set capacity for these satellites, they can accomodate X number of users per satellite which would be a region (I'm making an educated guess) about the size of New Jersey. I think the size is larger than that which means fewer users but I'm trying to ballpark during my lunch break. So if they expect to have 10,000 users (again ballpark) in New Jersey, but they instead get 40,000 they'll increase their cost…

I believe the satellites are moving, so there's no "Wyoming satellite customers" in the same way as existing satellite internet. The Wyoming customers will be sharing satellites with several other places as they move in and out of their regions

The constellation is moving but they are moving in a formation. Meaning you have a rotation of 2-4 satellites above your head at any give time. Each satellite can service a radius the size of Wyoming.

So you have a limit on the number of satellites and the number of customers per satellite.

The article says 5 million in the USA. That makes sense given what I'm thinking. That's about 100,000 per state, but it's not going to work like that. It's a good ballpark for the service they'll provide.

My main point, is if it's 100K per (1/50th the US) there will be less bandwidth in cities than in rural regions.

This is a HUGE boon to rural areas and will be amazing.

This will probably not affect you if you are urban or even suburban.

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"...that said, we’ll make sure Starlink has no material effect on discoveries in astronomy. We care a great deal about science." Elon Musk

A long exposure of Comet NEOWISE by Photographer Daniel Lopez: https://imgur.com/a/rDI1Onn

N.B. The white streaks are Starlink constellation passthrough trajectories

Starlink currently has 597 orbiting satellites they plan for more than 12k to be deployed. Amazon just got an approval for their own constellation of another 3k low orbiting satellites. Facebook and Alibaba will probably join this trend.

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You're not alone there. I wonder if starlink will increase property values in rural areas.

Especially with COVID showing the downsides to living in urban areas.

I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. It's counter-intuitive but the access to testing and hospitals is very important.

https://theconversation.com/rural-america-is-more-vulnerable...

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Even if DSL can get there, reliability of the connection in rural areas is often very suspect. A tree falls over in a winter storm, a bad crash that takes out an exchange box, a pole just plain falls over due to shifting ground, or maybe construction takes out a main trunk... these problems happen in cities too, but in a city you have maybe 1 km of infrastructure to worry about. In rural areas you could have 100 or 2…

> Even just as a reliable alternative Starlink would be a big boon to rural users Starlink is susceptible to cloud cover, rainstorms, lightning and other things that would interfere with signal quality (or render it unusable for periods of time). Seems buried lines (either POTS for DSL, Coax for Cable, or Fiber) is the best solution. We just need to figure out how to incentivize it being built.

Given the cost of burying lines is mostly in the labor/right-of-way stuff, we should be incentivizing fiber all over the place.

Helps that pesky Huwawei/5G problem the US keeps complaining about as well.

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