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German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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I used to be a happy N26 customer. But now I'm going out of my way to tell everyone not to use them. Two years ago I ordered the "metal" account (I think that was the name) since I was traveling a lot. Last year, I forgot to cancel it until I got an email saying it renewed. It's not a huge amount, €5 a month. But I don't use it anymore so that's wasted money and I decided to cancel it. Under EU law, I have two weeks…

Uff! I moved to Germany last year and i almost got an account with them... for thor’s beard!!! I’ glad i opened an account at bunq.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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Most likely they got one of those law firms specialized in "cleaning" works councils. There are a couple ones.

> There are a couple ones. Name and shame seems appropriate here, no?.

I posted an example in another thread, beyond that I am not willing to test how good is my legal insurance.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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I used to be a happy N26 customer. But now I'm going out of my way to tell everyone not to use them. Two years ago I ordered the "metal" account (I think that was the name) since I was traveling a lot. Last year, I forgot to cancel it until I got an email saying it renewed. It's not a huge amount, €5 a month. But I don't use it anymore so that's wasted money and I decided to cancel it. Under EU law, I have two weeks…

If you bothered to read the terms before you sign up for Metal, you'd see that the subscription duration is ONE YEAR. They did not hide this fact either, it is written there "Duration: Annual" at the sign up page.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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I used to be a happy N26 customer. But now I'm going out of my way to tell everyone not to use them. Two years ago I ordered the "metal" account (I think that was the name) since I was traveling a lot. Last year, I forgot to cancel it until I got an email saying it renewed. It's not a huge amount, €5 a month. But I don't use it anymore so that's wasted money and I decided to cancel it. Under EU law, I have two weeks…

If you bothered to read the terms before you sign up for Metal, you'd see that the subscription duration is ONE YEAR. They did not hide this fact either, it is written there "Duration: Annual" at the sign up page.

Yes, I know. I had the subscription for two full years. When it auto-renewed for the third year, I decided to cancel it, within the two weeks cooling off period required by EU law. The terms and conditions provided by the company can say what they like, but they are not allowed to invalidate EU consumer protection laws.

In any case, the main issue was that N26 support escalated this in an extremely aggressive manner. I was talking to them politely. I actually said something along the lines of "I believe, under this EU law, that I'm entitled to cancel the auto-renewed subscription. Isn't that correct?". Their response: boom, debt collection agency. Completely uncalled-for and turned this previously happy customer into someone who hates their company.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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It is painting a target, as you said. at least with many employers. also being part of a works council can massively hinder your career, even if officially there are protections in place against such things. but being a works council member myself I can assure you that even the best employers can have very subtle ways. Works council members from different companies talk and some stories are outright scary.

> It is painting a target, as you said. at least with many employers. also being part of a works council can massively hinder your career, even if officially there are protections in place against such things. In the company I work for some join the (Dutch) Works Council just to get ahead in their career. They often join until they're promoted. It's a huge international shipping company.

Wow. Never heard of that in Germany. Seems that in the Netherlands the works council has a different standing.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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I used to be a happy N26 customer. But now I'm going out of my way to tell everyone not to use them. Two years ago I ordered the "metal" account (I think that was the name) since I was traveling a lot. Last year, I forgot to cancel it until I got an email saying it renewed. It's not a huge amount, €5 a month. But I don't use it anymore so that's wasted money and I decided to cancel it. Under EU law, I have two weeks…

Could you tell us which EU law allows this, because I'm not sure what you're talking about. The only thing with two weeks I know about is for returning online purchases which wouldn't apply here as it's a renewal. As far as I know cancellation deadlines can be up to three months.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you bothered to read the terms before you sign up for Metal, you'd see that the subscription duration is ONE YEAR. They did not hide this fact either, it is written there "Duration: Annual" at the sign up page.

Yes, I know. I had the subscription for two full years. When it auto-renewed for the third year, I decided to cancel it, within the two weeks cooling off period required by EU law. The terms and conditions provided by the company can say what they like, but they are not allowed to invalidate EU consumer protection laws. In any case, the main issue was that N26 support escalated this in an extremely aggressive manner.…

Where do you find the law concerning the cancelation within the two weeks cooling off period?

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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post #166

I used to be a happy N26 customer. But now I'm going out of my way to tell everyone not to use them. Two years ago I ordered the "metal" account (I think that was the name) since I was traveling a lot. Last year, I forgot to cancel it until I got an email saying it renewed. It's not a huge amount, €5 a month. But I don't use it anymore so that's wasted money and I decided to cancel it. Under EU law, I have two weeks…

Could you tell us which EU law allows this, because I'm not sure what you're talking about. The only thing with two weeks I know about is for returning online purchases which wouldn't apply here as it's a renewal. As far as I know cancellation deadlines can be up to three months.

Not sure about German/EU law, but in the Netherlands the 14 day cooling off period also applies to subscriptions and financial products [1]. However, this is only 14 days after the sale. I don’t think this applies to renewals.

[1] https://business.gov.nl/regulation/cancellation-period-sale/

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you tell us which EU law allows this, because I'm not sure what you're talking about. The only thing with two weeks I know about is for returning online purchases which wouldn't apply here as it's a renewal. As far as I know cancellation deadlines can be up to three months.

Not sure about German/EU law, but in the Netherlands the 14 day cooling off period also applies to subscriptions and financial products [1]. However, this is only 14 days after the sale. I don’t think this applies to renewals. [1] https://business.gov.nl/regulation/cancellation-period-sale/

Yes, this is exactly what I meant and should be the EU law he mentioned. The 14 days only apply to subscriptions after initially signing up, after that you have to cancel your subscription within the regular cancellation period that is stated in the contract or terms of service and can be up to three months in Germany. In case of N26 Metal it seems to be four weeks.

Re: German digital bank N26 is facing outcry from its staff over management

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you bothered to read the terms before you sign up for Metal, you'd see that the subscription duration is ONE YEAR. They did not hide this fact either, it is written there "Duration: Annual" at the sign up page.

Yes, I know. I had the subscription for two full years. When it auto-renewed for the third year, I decided to cancel it, within the two weeks cooling off period required by EU law. The terms and conditions provided by the company can say what they like, but they are not allowed to invalidate EU consumer protection laws. In any case, the main issue was that N26 support escalated this in an extremely aggressive manner.…

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