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IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#161
I recently reviewed some resumes a recruiter (clearly) wrote for their candidates.

The recruiter must have thought that listing every tech the applicant ever used was a good idea. Even long discontinued products. And they seemingly added typos, turned things into acronyms incorrectly, listed tech under incorrect categories, etc. They were so painful to read and I'd imagine would have embarrassed the candidates if they ever saw them. I was going to give a "no" for all of them before I caught on that the recruiter was butchering them. With that context, some were OK and some of those passed the interview.

I suspect the reason for this is that some companies just do keyword matching, so the resume becomes tech jargon word salad to survive poorly written filters.

Seeing this process has convinced me that engineers should review resumes (and in the context of the IBM post, write/review job descriptions). I've gotten fast at it, but only when the candidate writes their own. I think next time I'll ask the recruiter to send a resume the applicant wrote, or just default to "no".

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#162

That job listing doesn't give specific credentials for it, but it seems to also involve: "...anomaly detection solutions ... leveraging an ensemble of Deep learning and LSTM models. Natural Language Processing for entity, topic clusters and relationship extraction. Text Analytics in human generated tickets and correlation with event tickets for event noise reduction. Apply Natural Language Classification and RNN algo…

Pretty sure the neural network they're working on wrote this ad itself.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#163

If you are shocked by a job ad like this you haven’t been in the industry very long. In 1995 a recruiter called me saying he has a position for someone with 5 years of Windows NT experience. (WNT shipped officially in 1993) I told him hat if he finds someone, I’d him them myself! I’ve never met a person that owns a time machine! He was very gracious about it.

Maybe they were looking to hire a NT core dev. Cutler started working on NT around 1989 if I recall.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#164

At first I thought "Even if you excuse this gaffe, who would consider a job with IBM these days?" But then I noticed it was in India, to which IBM has been outsourcing all their positions. Maybe a job at IBM in India is actually a relatively safe career choice? Definitely not in the US though. Edit: Reread this and realized it might sound like I'm anti-India. I'm not. I'm American but if I was in the job market and c…

India is definitely a beautifully and diverse country. But living in urban centers where these technology jobs are located is becoming tougher day by day. Crazy traffic, high real estate prices, air pollution, etc affects quality of life negatively.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#165

Similar anecdote, I started developing apps for the iPad as soon as it came out (2010). Around 2014, a recruiter didn't want to give me a senior position since "they usually look for people with 8+ years of experience". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In these cases (or, in most cases) I think it's fair to consider previous related experiences.

In this case: iPhone development or even MacOs development.

(Of course it's hard for recruiters to see this, that's why I usually just say I have it, but yeah, ridiculous requirements gets ridiculous answers)

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#166
post #92

Since that job advert hasn't been removed yet, I'm guessing it's not by accident. That being the case, I imagine that sometimes these things get lost in translation in large corporations and don't literally mean what you think they mean. I imagine what they are looking for is someone who can demonstrate how their 12+ years experience can be applied to that technology.

It’s Sunday, nobody in the corporate HR world is at work.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#167
post #43

Recruiters putting silly time requirements on skills is nothing new. My favorite moment of this type was at a meetup for .NET, where a recruiter came in and asked for too many years of experience, and the entire room burst out laughing. She just smiled, accepted the grief we all were giving her, and changed the job description to be accurate. I forget the exact wording she used, but I remember the gist of her respons…

The software jobs requirements (where I work) are written by team leads/software engineers, pretty much the same people that would be doing the interviews.

I worked at a company (who shall remain nameless) where the recruiters would "pad the requirements" asked for because it would draw in "more qualified candidates and people lie on their resumes anyway". I shit you not. I was aghast at this statement when I asked.... Needless to say, I just walked away from that particular conversation.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#168
post #22

> I saw a job post the other day. > It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830

Ah, this is standard python. For instance, «5 < x < 8» converts to «5 < x and x < 8». So «5 years experience and experience in FastAPI» is the pythonic reading of that job ad.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#169
post #92

Since that job advert hasn't been removed yet, I'm guessing it's not by accident. That being the case, I imagine that sometimes these things get lost in translation in large corporations and don't literally mean what you think they mean. I imagine what they are looking for is someone who can demonstrate how their 12+ years experience can be applied to that technology.

It’s Sunday, nobody in the corporate HR world is at work.

> India, Post Date: June 27, 2020

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

#170

Recruiters putting silly time requirements on skills is nothing new. My favorite moment of this type was at a meetup for .NET, where a recruiter came in and asked for too many years of experience, and the entire room burst out laughing. She just smiled, accepted the grief we all were giving her, and changed the job description to be accurate. I forget the exact wording she used, but I remember the gist of her respons…

This sounds like a terrible experience for the recruiter. I suggest re-examining the response you had based on understandings of gender issues in tech.

Although I suspect that may be bait, when you look at everything from that perspective everything looks gender related. Just because they hired a woman to do the job has nothing to do with it.

Tribalism around gender, race, nationality etc. serves only to divide us into smaller and smaller groups.

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