"Mullvad respects your privacy and has committed to not keep logs of any kind." How sure can we be here?
Mozilla VPN
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Re: Mozilla VPN
#162Come on Mozilla, hurry up! I want to give you money for goods and services (I also donate monthly [1]), but I'm not that interested in a VPN (I can and do also pay Mullvad). Give me that real internet stuff - email, calendar, file sync, chat(?) - give me Firefox Premium. Bundle in the Lockwise password manager. I'd pay good money to see a company fill the void of paid, privacy first essential internet services and I…
Only Mozilla can make me pay for Google services like Email/Calendar etc. I think I subconsciously trust the brand more than most internet companies out there.
Indeed. I feel about Mozilla the way I felt about Google a decade or two ago.
Re: Mozilla VPN
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What good is a VPN if you have to reveal all of your personally identifiable information to the vendor? Because most peoples threat model doesn't include actors that can force a VPN provider to give up their data. They just use it because it's making it easier to not get data stolen in a coffee shop and watch US Netflix.
If you have two equally great user experiences and in one case you have to share your personal information, and in another you don't, which would you choose?
The one where the company behind has a good reputation and seems trustworthy. Like Mullvad where their real address, developers, history and open source projects are available on the website (https://mullvad.net/en/help/no-logging-data-policy/) and they have been around for a while without any scandals that I'm aware of.
If there's a new provider out with no name, company address, audits or history and tells me they are not sharing personal information I just have to take their word for it. So it's not much better than the alternative if I can't verify it.
Re: Mozilla VPN
#164Come on Mozilla, hurry up! I want to give you money for goods and services (I also donate monthly [1]), but I'm not that interested in a VPN (I can and do also pay Mullvad). Give me that real internet stuff - email, calendar, file sync, chat(?) - give me Firefox Premium. Bundle in the Lockwise password manager. I'd pay good money to see a company fill the void of paid, privacy first essential internet services and I…
internet scale email, calendar, password manager, OpenID auth provider, VPN, browser + integrated search via DDG = everybody's dream
Re: Mozilla VPN
#165If Mozilla cares about privacy then why does this exist: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Beacon_API
* you can disable it
* sites can already do the same thing with javascript. this simply standardizes it, AND makes it easier to block (since it's a different request type rather than being lumped with other xhr).
Re: Mozilla VPN
#166Come on Mozilla, hurry up! I want to give you money for goods and services (I also donate monthly [1]), but I'm not that interested in a VPN (I can and do also pay Mullvad). Give me that real internet stuff - email, calendar, file sync, chat(?) - give me Firefox Premium. Bundle in the Lockwise password manager. I'd pay good money to see a company fill the void of paid, privacy first essential internet services and I…
I've wanted email so bad. Using protonmail til the day Mozilla decides to go down the email route.
Re: Mozilla VPN
#167Every time someone mentions a VPN provider in my techie social circles, the "A VPN doesn't protect you" crowd piles in, usually with links to something like: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29 I don't understand this argument, but would like to. I run https://everytwoyears.org , a political non-profit focused on ending the warrantless metadata collection of U.S. citizens' communications. From every…
A VPN is just a tunnel from one point to another. You'd have to establish why the remote end is more trustworthy than the local end. Being located in a hostile jurisdiction may be somewhat protective, but it would also seem likely that compromising foreign VPN services is within the NSA's wheelhouse.
Agreed.
I think the key for me is that, at least under the original Presidential Surveillance Program, the providers that participated were not compelled to share their user's metadata. They shared it willingly, regularly, and in bulk. There is reference to a service provider backing out of this agreement a few years later, telling the NSA they would feel more comfortable sharing the data if it were compelled.
It's not clear if this has changed since 2013. But assuming Mozilla, or Mullvad, isn't compelled to share _all of their data_ it seems unlikely that they would willingly give that up to a government surveillance program.
I think ISPs have demonstrated they aren't trustworthy. For most people in the U.S., it seems, finding someone more trustworthy than their ISP is literally anyone who isn't admitting that they collect and share their private data. I would be surprised if Mozilla doesn't clear this bar.
Re: Mozilla VPN
#168Every time someone mentions a VPN provider in my techie social circles, the "A VPN doesn't protect you" crowd piles in, usually with links to something like: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29 I don't understand this argument, but would like to. I run https://everytwoyears.org , a political non-profit focused on ending the warrantless metadata collection of U.S. citizens' communications. From every…
Most people use a VPN because it lets them have a different geolocation (to watch Netflix in a different country, access thepiratebay, etc.)
If you do use a VPN to mask your traffic, there are two questions to ask yourself:
1. who are you masking your traffic from?
2. can you trust the VPN network more?
In general, you cannot trust a VPN network more, and HTTPS is the solution as it provides end-to-end encryption with some important caveats (web PKI)
Running your own VPN is not a good solution either, because who owns the servers where your VPN is running?
Re: Mozilla VPN
#169Come on Mozilla, hurry up! I want to give you money for goods and services (I also donate monthly [1]), but I'm not that interested in a VPN (I can and do also pay Mullvad). Give me that real internet stuff - email, calendar, file sync, chat(?) - give me Firefox Premium. Bundle in the Lockwise password manager. I'd pay good money to see a company fill the void of paid, privacy first essential internet services and I…
Only Mozilla can make me pay for Google services like Email/Calendar etc. I think I subconsciously trust the brand more than most internet companies out there.
And the Basecamp guys with Hey :-)
Re: Mozilla VPN
#170Every single time I start researching VPN services I end up more confused and with more questions than before because basically every vouched service has the same amount of negative comments too. Like feels like the whole sector is a honeypot (lol) of shady stuff and also they figthing against each other (or not?). So I just wait until when turns out Mullvad is also one of the bad guys.
Public VPN services should not be trusted blindly. Online anonymity is very hard. However, you can still create your own VPN server on cloud providers for at least have some privacy while you are on an untrusted network.
Because of this reason, I created https://zudvpn.com - It is a free and open-source mobile application that's used to deploy a private VPN server on major Cloud Providers!
Github repo: https://github.com/zudvpn/ZudVPN