Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 9:00 PM UTC

ethanbond wrote: post #65

coronadisaster wrote: post #63

governments monitor all major companies... including the US government (PRISM is pretty old now, so we can assume that they monitor others by now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) ). So if the traffic is not end-to-end encrypted, assume that they can view your traffic. Sometime they play on words and say that end-to-end means from customer to cloud... but the cloud should not have the key.

Not all governments are equal. Cut out this whaddaboutism. Edit: When I replied, OP was simply “governments monitor all major companies... including the US government”

Post by fsflover » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 9:01 PM UTC

miles wrote: post #145

shacrw wrote: post #129

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The above China concern is legit but a lot of the issues in the above links have been fixed in the updates ~2 months back.

Yes, it merely establishes their long-running problems and history of disregarding user privacy and security.

Post by sp332 » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 9:02 PM UTC

ciarannolan wrote: post #8

I feel like the good faith presumption for this company has to have shifted by now. Is there any reason not to assume that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom calls en masse? Documenting participants (face, voice, language, location, etc.), recording content, etc. We're talking about the data of 200M+ users. I see people on HN defending Zoom all the time. >The company has acknowledged that much of its product…

Post by koheripbal » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 9:03 PM UTC

deathgrips wrote: post #152

ordinaryradical wrote: post #4

Aiding in the Chinese media's censorship is not good for China nor the world. When a government destroys the ability for it to be criticized it becomes untethered from consensus reality; megalomaniacs can take the reins and a kind of national hubris forms that can lead to devastating conflict and oppression. All governments need open dissent and criticism to keep from going down this path. Zoom should not be aiding a…

You're not considering the real and terrifying strengths that dictatorship has over democracy. In true democracies the politicians never undertake a plan that lasts longer than one election term because they have no incentive to do so. In China they feel free to undertake 20 year plans with large upfront investments because the party does not care about winning an election every 2-4 years. Why do you automatically as…

Post by Veen » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 9:04 PM UTC

frabbit wrote: post #166

Veen wrote: post #149

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps > As of 2018, it was estimated that the Chinese authorities may have detained hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million, Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and other ethnic Turkic Muslims, Christians as well as some foreign citizens such as Kazakhstanis, who are being held in these secretive internment camps which are located throughout the region. In May 2018, Randall S…

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