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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by jlgaddis » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:05 AM UTC

spacephysics wrote: post #151

fermienrico wrote: post #132

Side topic: Should government control looting when it comes to violent protests?

With innocent people being harmed, and at least one killed, I think they should. Letting this get out of control is not the best option, as tensions are already high from covid, and this could be a feedback loop to more unneeded violence, with unintended victims caught in the cross hairs. With a gas line possibly being cut, and ~170 business burned down, this is spiraling out of control [0] I mention the gas line (th…

> ... and ~170 business burned down, this is spiraling out of control

To be clear, that is NOT what the article you linked states.

It reads:

> The St. Paul Police Department said more than 170 businesses were looted or damaged Thursday, and dozens of fires were set.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by Traster » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:06 AM UTC

bilbo0s wrote: post #131

In fairness, Trump's tweets are not about actually doing anything, they are more about getting votes. So arguing the feasibility of suggestions outlined in a Trump tweet kind of misses the point.

Really? Because literally this week Trump tweeted something and then followed it up with an executive order.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by 0-_-0 » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:09 AM UTC

danso wrote: post #2

Link to @realDonaldTrump tweet: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12662311007807447... tweet text: > ....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you! Disclaimer text: > This Tweet…

For those who don't like opening Twitter links:

https://nitter.net/realDonaldTrump/status-/12662311007807447...

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by rootlocus » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:11 AM UTC

xpaqui wrote: post #154

rootlocus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fact checking doesn't imply picking sides. Not fact checking does.

Can you explain how not fact checking implies picking a side?

No fact check = implicit trust

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by SpicyLemonZest » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:12 AM UTC

iso1631 wrote: post #138

fermienrico wrote: post #132

Side topic: Should government control looting when it comes to violent protests?

Isn't the US a federated country? Surely it's up to the local police to ask for help from other police if they wish to, and then perhaps ask for help from the national guard, not the other way round? And isn't it state governors who control the national guard, not the Federal president? I assume the Waco types will be out there opposing "The Feds" trampling over state rights?

The US has a federal system, but people are guaranteed basic rights within it. If the local government can’t or won’t protect those rights (the police abandoned one of their five precincts to the looters!), the feds have the right and duty to step in.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by xtiansimon » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:14 AM UTC

bilbo0s wrote: post #131

In fairness, Trump's tweets are not about actually doing anything, they are more about getting votes. So arguing the feasibility of suggestions outlined in a Trump tweet kind of misses the point.

That’s a bubble of reality distortion surrounding the public facing messaging of the man. That is not the expectation for the Office of the President. He won. He got to the top office.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by Traster » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:15 AM UTC

totalZero wrote: post #121

adrianN wrote: post #8

I'm a bit surprised that this fight with the POTUS doesn't have a stronger influence on Twitter's stock value.

It does impact the stock, and that's likely a part of the reason it took Twitter so long to take even the smallest action against his violations of their rules. The President is using the threat of allowing social media companies to be held liable for their content, as retaliation against Twitter. The stock was down 4.5% yesterday and is trading lower in the pre-market session.

To be honest I actually think this has a lot more to do with the fact that Dorsey has been an absent CEO. The only person who really has the authority to pick this fight is Dorsey and he hasn't been engaged enough in running twitter to care. This was observed through all sorts of side-effects where Twitter was basically failing to innovate for the past few years. Now the activists got involved and forced Dorsey into actually running the company he's finally in a position to pay attention and act on these things.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by pm90 » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:16 AM UTC

bilbo0s wrote: post #131

In fairness, Trump's tweets are not about actually doing anything, they are more about getting votes. So arguing the feasibility of suggestions outlined in a Trump tweet kind of misses the point.

No. This man holds the office of the POTUS. There are certain responsibilities that come with it. The officeholder cannot make deadly threats publicly and expect everyone to just shrug it off.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by pm90 » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:18 AM UTC

TechBro8615 wrote: post #140

slg wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is using past violence as a threat of imminent violence while the other accounts you mentioned will generally reference violence indirectly or in the past tense. That is an important distinction.

He is the commander in chief. He has the capability to threaten violence. This tweet, while in bad taste IMO, was a threat to those who are planning to continue looting and burning buildings in Minneapolis. I’m not sure if you’ve seen the videos, but there are full scale riots. Rioters completely looted a Target and burned it nearly to the ground. Is “shooting” the answer to that? Probably not. And hopefully the Nati…

As commander in chief he has many ways of communicating with the nation. Threatening violence on Americans on a private platform that explicitly forbids such actions is expressly not allowed and Twitter is well within their rights to “editorialize” it.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by Jie8eih1 » Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:48 AM UTC

AgentME wrote: post #130

One angle I don't see discussed: I wonder if Trump commits to more risky/bombastic/divisive plans as president because he feels confident that he can directly frame them and control the narrative by using his audience on Twitter, and he feels emboldened by how immediately Twitter is able to deliver the reactions. If there's a chance this is true, I can especially understand Twitter wanting to have no part in this. It…

It's way too late for that, though. I left twitter more than five years ago (can't remember the exact date) when it became clear it had became a gathering place for ordinary fascism and you could not have a reasonable discussion without having extremists harassing you. And this started long before Trump's election (in France, we have a name for that : the fachosphere).

I'm willing to give it an other chance if they implement proper moderation (because in the end, I love talking with people very different than me, especially if they are of different political views, provided they're willing to discuss and don't just want to harm opponents), but I'm afraid the harm is done, and everyone is radicalized, now.