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Post by digizeph »

JackPoach wrote: post #142
digizeph wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this whole thing could end up being good for people stuck in the current system. Personally, US immigration path has become so much less reasonable comparing to Canada's. Hostility is the word I'd describe the system in US. On another topic, the American PhD's quote doesn't make sense without context. Why "mediocre" scientists are the issue for scientific "competition"? The proportion of top people is al…

Well, you can google Eric Weinstein and read his opinion on H1B as far as academia goes. This Eric Weinstein - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein

Thanks. Seems like he himself tweeted this document. I'll start with this: https://www.ineteconomics.org/uploads/papers/Weinstein-GUI_N...

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Post by raverbashing »

Traster wrote: post #144
curiousllama wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently worked as a consultant doing back office talent sourcing work. It is a stated, explicit ambition in the industry to offshore & automate as much work as humanly possible. You're thinking, reasonably, that companies aren't going to go through the trouble of immediately opening a whole office in Bangalore for a few QA testers. You're right. They're either going to (1) offshore to an MSP (2) automate or (3) ju…

The obvious answer is that the companies that have their QA in Penang fairly quickly learn that the 7,500 engineers in Penang that you got for the price of 20 engineers in the US not only don't do the QA correctly, they're actively making the quality worse by DDOSing the engineers in the US with jira tickets. Then you find out that the senior management outsourced core activities to Penang, and before you know it you…

But it doesn't need to be Penang

It can be Canada. It can be Mexico or South America.

It can be Eastern Europe.

Yes, it will be more expensive (but maybe not overall), and there will be fewer "yes-men" and less bottom-kissing but more actual work done and maybe better communications since time zones overlap.

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Post by DrScump »

screye wrote: post #126

Genuine question for anti-H1B people on this thread. Do you think there should be a pathway to immigration for someone not from the US ? (Not just Indians/Chinese) _______________________________________________________ Because honestly, there really isn't any at all. If all work visas are supposed to not have a pathway to citizenship. Then how is someone supposed to make it in ? The diversity PR ? Which is almost ex…

  honestly, there really isn't any pathway to immigration at all
Honestly... the USA makes a million new immigrant citizens a year, year over year.

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Post by finnthehuman »

screye wrote: post #128
toomuchtodo wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you really think that ? Yes. I have worked at both at a successful (ie profitable) fully remote startup that employs hundreds of people, and now at an enterprise that is fully remote with thousands of employees across several continents. If you can't manage teams remotely, you can't manage.

Wow, that is a strong claim. Not all companies are structured to be innately remote. My team for instance is really struggling to adjust to remote settings, despite having a flexible WFH setup and working closely with remotely located teams before. It is little things. Relationships between colleagues get colder. The people I used to see daily were also great friends of mine. Giving constructive feedback and taking c…

I agree that it's management. I have two primary projects right now, and the difference couldn't be more stark.

One has most of the issues you describe, the workflow has gotten cold, meetings are mechanical, communication is poor, the team slack is dry. Problem solving is hard over email, only one person on the team proactively makes phone calls. And of the two offices, this one had the most people that would chime in on conversations from over the cube walls.

On the other project, management has taken the "overcommunicate" route to WFH. Everything feels collaborative, I talk to everyone often enough that nothing that would naturally come up in the office but might not be big enough for an email gets dropped. I have better insight into the electrical and mechanical engineer's tasks than I did while in the office, we identify points of future collaboration calls in meetings, and I've gotten to know people joining the project during WFH well enough over video calls that we now chit-chat over slack.

Perhaps the most striking sign of a culture difference is around 2/3 of people on both projects only turn their webcams on for calls regarding the 2nd project.

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Post by DrScump »

mmaurizi wrote: post #69

Choosing a nonpartisan description of "U.S. Senators" obscures the fact that all of the senators are from the same party (Republican). An example of where the journalistic commitment to being politically neutral harms the ability to properly inform the reader.

When the Democrats had complete control of the Federal government (2009-13), they did absolutely nothing toward immigration "reform". Perhaps your partisanship theory needs re-evaluation.

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Post by dariusj18 »

DrScump wrote: post #165
mmaurizi wrote: post #69

Choosing a nonpartisan description of "U.S. Senators" obscures the fact that all of the senators are from the same party (Republican). An example of where the journalistic commitment to being politically neutral harms the ability to properly inform the reader.

When the Democrats had complete control of the Federal government (2009-13), they did absolutely nothing toward immigration "reform". Perhaps your partisanship theory needs re-evaluation.

They had the Presidency, House and Senate from 2009 through 2011, not 2013. Immigration reform was not a quagmire the Obama administration was going to delve into in the first 2 years of his administration, among all his priorities, however they did signal the desire to create a bipartisan solutions.

A comprehensive bipartisan bill did pass the senate in 2013, however it was never brought to the House floor for a vote. So perhaps your partisan theory needs re-evaluation.

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Post by zzleeper »

rb2k_ wrote: post #135
zzleeper wrote: post #98

Most PhDs start with H-1Bs. So with longer freezes (not that anyone is hiring right now) you risk losing an entire cohort of the best scientists in many fields.

Most PhDs I know that are doing research in labs are on a F1 or J-1.

F1s expire pretty quickly, you should now this.

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Post by masonic »

dariusj18 wrote: post #167
DrScump wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the Democrats had complete control of the Federal government (2009-13), they did absolutely nothing toward immigration "reform". Perhaps your partisanship theory needs re-evaluation.

They had the Presidency, House and Senate from 2009 through 2011, not 2013. Immigration reform was not a quagmire the Obama administration was going to delve into in the first 2 years of his administration, among all his priorities, however they did signal the desire to create a bipartisan solutions. A comprehensive bipartisan bill did pass the senate in 2013, however it was never brought to the House floor for a vot…

  Immigration reform was not a quagmire the Obama administration was going to delve into
So, you acknowledge that it's a "quagmire", not a benefit.

The Democrats had the legislation all done and ready to go in the previous Congress, when it was just a tool to bludgeon Bush with rather than accomplish anything (otherwise, they could have brought the exact same bill back in the 111th). But that bill failed because 14 Democrats opposed it at cloture; it never even made it to Bush's desk:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/134...

They could have just brought back the exact same legislation. It could have traversed the process and been passed within weeks... had they ever actually wanted it to become law.

Their leadership isn't stupid. They know that a broad-based amnesty would be a long term economic disaster, and they acknowledged that even before the post-2010 recovery demonstrated that even upbeat economic periods won't provide real employment for the unskilled anymore (the "gig economy").

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