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Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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It would be amazing to see the Gameboy/N64 emulator hacker community expand, and NEW games begin to be developed based on these docs. Maybe Nintendo could double-down on this and turn it into good publicity

Many people already do make new games for Gameboy (and NES/Famicom) without these documents.

Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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I'm quite confident it's accurate. Downloading is copying. Downloading leaked proprietary source-code infringes the copyrights of the holder. That's as it should be. If you download a commercial ebook from BitTorrent without having paid for a licence, that's copyright infringement. Nintendo chooses not to put its source-code on the market, so you have no means of acquiring a licence to it. Downloading their copyright…

Not exactly. Copyright covers redistribution, not viewing someone else's illegal copy. That's why you can get a DMCA notice or copyright strike for uploading, torrenting, or hosting copyright works but not for downloading them. (Why torrenting? See below) When you get sent a DMCA or copyright strike for torrenting movies, their legal basis isn't that you downloaded the content but that you then seeded it to peers. Th…

This is not true. The law governs humans, not computer technical details.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download#Copyright

The reason uploaders are prosecutor more is that they are easier targets (more evidence, more damages)

DMCA takedown copyright strikes are one specific part of copyright law, that applies to hosting services and safe harbor protections for them. There is much more to copyright law.

Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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The whole reason emulators are legal and ROMs aren't is because emulators are original work not owned by the console developer. Except that people need ROMs to test emulators with. Just like the old saying that it's impossible to actually start "from scratch", at some point everything is a derivative work of everything else; it just has to be far enough away to not attract legal attention.

It's not really comparable. It is legal to rip ROMs for your own use. Distributing ROMs discreetly is illegal, but also basically impossible to prove. If reverse-engineered, the hardware ABI that the cartridge uses to converse with the system is not copyrightable[1] so you can distribute an emulator that you developed. Meanwhile it's pretty trivial to prove that some code is derived from some other code or some inter…

>It is legal to rip ROMs for your own use

Incorrect. People say this all the time but no, it is not in fact legal. It's never been tested in court and Nintendo takes the explicit view that both it is illegal to rip your own roms and that said devices are illegal.

Now you and I can disagree with Nintendo, but Nintendo could sue someone for ripping their own roms. They won't however, because it would be an incredibly difficult case to prove. Don't mistake that for it being legal or illegal however.

Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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About zero. Emulators and near perfect ones already exist. Sure they still sell old games on through their retro console but these can be pirated easily on existing consoles. This wouldn’t affect the bottom line really at all since this will not make piracy easier. The only possible loss here is due to fines from regulators or law suits from 3rd parties which had their licenses IP exposed but the latter would be a ha…

What if a Chinese company decided to make bootleg Nintendo machines using these sources and sell them? They would probably sell the console and a bunch of games as a single playable kit.

Chinese factories have been doing this for decades already. I bought a 100 Games in One system at my local mall kiosk ten years ago that had an NES on a chip built into a game controller that plugged into the TV.

Given their place in the electronics supply chain, China has an incredible ability to clone hardware.

Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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I like drawing metaphors from Tamiya. Tamiya is a Japanese scale modelling and remote-controlled vehicle company with a loooong history of making quality products that the industry just eats up. Like Nintendo, Tamiya has always been in the back row when it comes to technological innovation, but lead the pack when it came to functionality, reliability, and quality. Just like Nintendo, there are Tamiya fan clubs where…

One of my dreams was always if Nintendo released "development diary" editions of old titles(in particular Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time) where you'd get to try out a playable showcase of the game's builds at particular states in development from very early initial tests, to Alpha, Beta, various trade conference demos etc. Each with developer commentary, perhaps design sketches, deleted content and maybe maybe al…

I really enjoy reading about some of the techniques the developers use to get the most out of the hardware. Here are some of my favorites from recent memory:

https://medium.com/@gordonnl/wind-waker-graphics-analysis-a0...

https://blog.mecheye.net/2018/03/deconstructing-the-water-ef...

https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2014/03/15/pixel-processing-pro...

Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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"Emulators won't touch this, neither will console clones" I suppose they wouldn't copy it outright. But wouldn't it be useful as a reference to fix long-standing bugs, improve performance, etc?

You could have one group document what the leaks describe, then another group implement from the documentation?

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Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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post #162

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Not exactly. Copyright covers redistribution, not viewing someone else's illegal copy. That's why you can get a DMCA notice or copyright strike for uploading, torrenting, or hosting copyright works but not for downloading them. (Why torrenting? See below) When you get sent a DMCA or copyright strike for torrenting movies, their legal basis isn't that you downloaded the content but that you then seeded it to peers. Th…

This is not true. The law governs humans, not computer technical details. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download#Copyright The reason uploaders are prosecutor more is that they are easier targets (more evidence, more damages) DMCA takedown copyright strikes are one specific part of copyright law, that applies to hosting services and safe harbor protections for them. There is much more to copyright law.

I've read that streaming might be legally different, as it might not legally qualify as making a copy. It's difficult to find a reputable online source directly answering this question. I imagine the answer might vary between jurisdictions.

Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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Or Having a virus sneaked in. Through it's very unlikely. But you always have that risk when downloading anything (from anywhere). 4chan is a very special place, it has many "good" people but it also has "bad" people. (Note that both "good" and "bad" are very opinionated, which is why they are quoted).

I've always viewed 4chan as hardcore chaotic neutral. They're quite happy to find novel solutions to mathematical problems, DDoS people they don't like, openly work with leaked source code, create a new chat system (tox), troll celebrities... they don't care about good/bad, they care about whatever strikes them as interesting or fun. Which is... a very mixed bag:)

Kinda amoral rather than immoral

Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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Is this bad? Am I misunderstanding? What financial damage does this do when Nintendo no longer manufacturers this console or actively developers for it and hasn't for years, or a decade in the N64/GameCube's case?

About zero. Emulators and near perfect ones already exist. Sure they still sell old games on through their retro console but these can be pirated easily on existing consoles. This wouldn’t affect the bottom line really at all since this will not make piracy easier. The only possible loss here is due to fines from regulators or law suits from 3rd parties which had their licenses IP exposed but the latter would be a ha…

I think this has been discussed in other threads here, but from my understanding Nintendo 64 emulation has been a little shakier than other consoles.

Re: Nintendo has reportedly suffered a significant legacy console leak

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post #162

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This is not true. The law governs humans, not computer technical details. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Download#Copyright The reason uploaders are prosecutor more is that they are easier targets (more evidence, more damages) DMCA takedown copyright strikes are one specific part of copyright law, that applies to hosting services and safe harbor protections for them. There is much more to copyright law.

I've read that streaming might be legally different, as it might not legally qualify as making a copy. It's difficult to find a reputable online source directly answering this question. I imagine the answer might vary between jurisdictions.

I thought it was simply that uploaders get charged with distribution which carries a stiffer penalty or something. Like the difference between getting charged with drug possession and drug trafficking. How getting caught with drugs, unless in massive quantities, will have less steep punishments than getting caught with a bunch of drugs, scales and baggies.

At least in the cases i've heard of. It could be one of those old wives tales kind of things though. I honestly don't know.

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