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Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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Kids are so less adventurous nowadays. I'm not sure about teenagers, but for college students, it's more obvious. I believe it's because society is less forgiving - young people spent a ton of money or taking loans, work hard at school, cannot find jobs that are not stressful and underpaid. Or couldn't even find jobs at all. One step wrong and they would be screwed.

As a parent, I've noticed the biggest problem that prevents "free range" kids is other adults without kids.

Those of us WITH kids relish getting the kids outside and out of our hair. But those without kids frequently are calling the parents to complain our children are roaming the neighborhood, perhaps on their property. Or they fear these kids will create problems. Usually, however, they're just kids being kids. Going on adventures & learning to resolve their own problems without a grownup hovering over them.

I think the issue is the proportion of adults with kids has declined, so parents run into non-parents all the time that don't enjoy seeing kids roaming around. Whereas when I was a kid, most adults were more understanding.

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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16-year-old here. My experience is probably markedly different from most teenagers in the US (I'm an immigrant who goes to a competitive school full of other immigrants) but I find that, for the most part, this article hits the nail on the head. High School is nothing like the usual media portrayal - I've never heard anyone even talk about a party, nobody's doing anything stronger than weed, nobody's fucking or even…

Well, you’re 16. It shows.

Every teenagers generation could be described as exhibitionist. “Hold my beer and watch this.” is how they used to proclaim some shallow effort at relevance was about to occur.

You describe how people are obsessed with credentials and don’t take pride in achievement anymore. That’s conflicting rhetoric.

You’re trying too hard to make a point.

They’re humans. That hasn’t changed. What’s changed is what society drives toward success in. What society surrounds us with.

Look at Bezos and Gates. Andreessen.

Helped into prestige positions by the ideological buy in of their masses.

Same as priests and Presidents of old.

Those people are propped up. No way they have power without others doing in their direction at scale.

That’s what humans do. No one in power ever got there with their own two hands.

Look at all the post modernist wank and reproducibility issues in social sciences, and the oceans of ink spent conjuring nonsense.

Humans are a vain species that, until recently, truly believed at scale it could be forever.

Covid19 has brought the awareness that not paying attention doesn’t mean the world stands still. Folks are realizing growth isn’t forever. Humanity isn’t necessarily forever as they were able to believe for thousands of years.

Is being lonelier bad? Perhaps we’ve been pushing socialize 24/7! too hard and this is a correction.

The falloff in human contact for me has me back to a space opera I’ve been curating for over a decade. My analog jack git repo, where I’m building a collection of software to curate for the rest of my days, to avoid buying it, has exploded with new ideas.

If you don’t like the screen addiction you’re seeing, yet you’re seeking connection via a screen to hash it out.

Unplug from the internet and this audience. It’s just people too, and you can probably learn all you need to know about them by intimately observing a subset in your own community.

They laugh, they cry, they act like jerks, they ignore real problems for their novelty & nostalgia chasing.

Thinking any of us here are saying anything that hasn’t been said a million times is vanity. Which is all the web is. Vain and impermanent people looking for the forever they were promised as kids via a number of misguided social norms.

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the second tier of Carnegie Mellon and Cornell. Lol.

While CMU is huge in computing, it's lacking in prestige. Cornell is most-frequently referred to as a 'fake Ivy' everywhere college discussion can be found, and has been since the 1980s. I direct the audience's attention to the results of the search query "fake ivy university": https://www.google.com/search?q=fake+ivy+university

Never seen that before.

There’s definitely a hierarchy to Ivy League schools, but it varies depending on which one you went to.

(Source, one of 3 in my immediate family who went to an Ivy.)

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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post #136
post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not necessarily to the Ivy League (everyone knows that's just luck of the draw), but the "second-tier" schools (Carnegie-Mellon, Rensselaer, Duke, Cornell, etc.) Cornell is an ivy league school, and calling the likes of cmu and Duke "second tier" schools?? by any metric they're on par or. better with ivy league schools

The value of an Ivy is the prestige that comes with it. CMU is only prestigious in computing. Academically Duke is better than most Ivies, and it's got some pretty nice name recognition because of its outreach programs, but it doesn't really have the prestige of most Ivies. I'm mostly just entertained that in a discussion like this, MIT is completely absent. For obvious reasons, granted, but it's still funny.

It makes sense that MIT is absent as large donations can’t guarantee your kid gets into MIT.

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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post #104

Finland has mandatory military service for males. So every year you most of the young men (mostly age 18 to 20) into a controlled environment and go through standardized testing and observation. - Physical fitness has gone down, overweight goes up. - Intelligence peaked among those who were born in 70's and has been in slight decline last 18 years. Similar results can be seen in other developed countries. - Anxiety d…

How are they measuring declining IQ over time? IQ tests are regularly recalibrated to mean=100 and std=15. That opens quite the can of worms for comparabilty in all sorts of ways.

The Flynn effect denotes the increase of IQ over time and is well established and documented (not necessarily well understood, though, albeit there are many theories).

And the last decade or so has indeed seen a reversal of the Flynn effect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18956085

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

#166

Kids are so less adventurous nowadays. I'm not sure about teenagers, but for college students, it's more obvious. I believe it's because society is less forgiving - young people spent a ton of money or taking loans, work hard at school, cannot find jobs that are not stressful and underpaid. Or couldn't even find jobs at all. One step wrong and they would be screwed.

I think kids have been less adventurous than their parents for quite a while, and needless to say the correct level of adventurousness was in my generation. :-P

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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post #10

This generation has fully internalized consumer capitalism. Music is about success, not dropping out. Edit : See e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22985678 in this thread.

I feel like I'm hearing more and more about tiny houses, sustainability, etc. I feel like there is an increasing anti-capitalist sentiment. Like, I go on dates, and women look down on me for being successful and making money. In order to win points I would have to volunteer or go hiking more often.

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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post #111
post #104

Finland has mandatory military service for males. So every year you most of the young men (mostly age 18 to 20) into a controlled environment and go through standardized testing and observation. - Physical fitness has gone down, overweight goes up. - Intelligence peaked among those who were born in 70's and has been in slight decline last 18 years. Similar results can be seen in other developed countries. - Anxiety d…

> Finland has mandatory military service for males. How is that kind of institutionalized sexism still legal?

Finland has a history of needing to fight off a much larger expansionist neighbor. One who has recently (a few years ago) annexed more territory while the rest of the world sat around and did nothing.

Or are you asking why they don't extend the mandatory service to women? The reasons for that are somewhat historic and very _biotruth_. A country that fights a devastating war that wipes out 90% of the men but keeps the women can recover. A country that has 90% of the women wiped out but leaves the men is completely screwed.

Re: Teenagers are better behaved and less hedonistic (2018)

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post #137
post #104

Finland has mandatory military service for males. So every year you most of the young men (mostly age 18 to 20) into a controlled environment and go through standardized testing and observation. - Physical fitness has gone down, overweight goes up. - Intelligence peaked among those who were born in 70's and has been in slight decline last 18 years. Similar results can be seen in other developed countries. - Anxiety d…

How are they measuring declining IQ over time? IQ tests are regularly recalibrated to mean=100 and std=15. That opens quite the can of worms for comparabilty in all sorts of ways.

Intelligence researchers don't use IQ, they use raw data from testing.

As you pointed out, IQ is not usable for research across time or across countries or cultures. You can only compare individuals in the same time and same population.

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