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Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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Gotta ask whether the banking system makes sense in its current form. - Part of it is actually a utility. Payments, sending money from one place to another, making sure there's an account at the other end of that number. Everyone needs this, yet being a huge international network there isn't a whole lot that one bank offers that another cannot. - Part of it is deciding who to lend money to. Makes sense for the bank t…

You’re describing “narrow” banks. While they make sense for consumers, our banking system is tightly coupled with another: mortgages. The money that you deposit is loaned out. Could the federal government do the too? Sure, and the government (talking about the US here) does end up owning a large chunk of mortgages via Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But the expertise and the manpower around vetting the mortgages is a _lo…

> "If you take away the deposits, who has that much money to lend out without being dangerously leveraged?"

mortgages don't have to go through retail banks, and there are plenty of other transaction fees to support banks of all sorts.

in fact, there's no reason we should have allowed the consolidation of banking other than to allow rent-seekers to amalgamate more sources of relatively risk-free cash flows under the control of fewer and greedier hands. we could have maintained lots of small banks that serve the community and region, enriching those communities, rather than a few behemoths that strip-mine them.

a lot of the "work" of mortgages is really mindless paper-shuffling by other rent-seekers taking their little slice of the large transaction price. none of those service providers go away if the government decided to take over (not that i'm advocating such a takeover).

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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post #133

Not a popular opinion but considering the effort involved, should they not have earned fees? Should they have donated their time and resources? I'm sure it took a monumental effort to pull it together with the lack of clarity being handed down and the volume of loans to process in a short period of time. If the government wanted to do for $0 fees they would have figured out how to do it themselves. If a private busin…

you think that an administrative fee of approx $20K per transaction is reasonable?

Wrong thread.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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post #133

Not a popular opinion but considering the effort involved, should they not have earned fees? Should they have donated their time and resources? I'm sure it took a monumental effort to pull it together with the lack of clarity being handed down and the volume of loans to process in a short period of time. If the government wanted to do for $0 fees they would have figured out how to do it themselves. If a private busin…

> If the government wanted to do for $0 fees they would have figured out how to do it themselves.

Why would you assume that?

You sound like the PR department of a bank.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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post #133

Not a popular opinion but considering the effort involved, should they not have earned fees? Should they have donated their time and resources? I'm sure it took a monumental effort to pull it together with the lack of clarity being handed down and the volume of loans to process in a short period of time. If the government wanted to do for $0 fees they would have figured out how to do it themselves. If a private busin…

you think that an administrative fee of approx $20K per transaction is reasonable?

They should be reasonably compensated for and able to profit from administrating these loans but 20k is not a reasonable compensation per transaction.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you know of a better way to spread 600 billion amongst 5-10 million small businesses without going through the local banks these businesses use please share with the class?

It seems apparent that the government could’ve distributed these loans to qualifying businesses if they wanted to. The government was able to distribute individual checks to people. It does not seem far fetched to extend this to business accounts. Maybe someone else can describe technical blockers as to why the government couldn’t have done this. It seems mostly political.

The banks have a preexisting relationship with these businesses and know what they would need / qualify for. Plus provide boots on the ground for vetting.

The best the government could do was send a paltry check to pretty much EVERY american. I'm sure you'd object if they decided to send 1 million dollars to EVERY small business.

That's the best a fed government run program could accomplish with only a couple of weeks.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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post #133

Not a popular opinion but considering the effort involved, should they not have earned fees? Should they have donated their time and resources? I'm sure it took a monumental effort to pull it together with the lack of clarity being handed down and the volume of loans to process in a short period of time. If the government wanted to do for $0 fees they would have figured out how to do it themselves. If a private busin…

Making $15,000 from simply disbursing $300,000 seems a bit steep.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m speaking about starting a new bank, and obtaining a bank license to do so.

You were speaking about the general possibility of running narrow banking. Whether it is a new bank or existing bank doesn't matter to that point, so you can't dismiss the possibility of an existing bank doing it and thereby claim it's impossible because a new bank couldn't get a license on that premise. "Narrow banking is impossible." 'What if you did it this way?' "I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the…

I apologize if my citation and my explanation were not clear enough to convey the concept in my original comment ("Federal Reserve will not issue banking licenses to allow new banking entrants to operate as narrow banks").

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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post #133

Not a popular opinion but considering the effort involved, should they not have earned fees? Should they have donated their time and resources? I'm sure it took a monumental effort to pull it together with the lack of clarity being handed down and the volume of loans to process in a short period of time. If the government wanted to do for $0 fees they would have figured out how to do it themselves. If a private busin…

> Obviously it isn't very palatable to hear about others making money off of this kind of thing but we need incentives for people to step up and help.

With "people" you mean private businesses in this context I suppose?

If so you could call these incentives "regulations".

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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post #168
post #133

Not a popular opinion but considering the effort involved, should they not have earned fees? Should they have donated their time and resources? I'm sure it took a monumental effort to pull it together with the lack of clarity being handed down and the volume of loans to process in a short period of time. If the government wanted to do for $0 fees they would have figured out how to do it themselves. If a private busin…

> Obviously it isn't very palatable to hear about others making money off of this kind of thing but we need incentives for people to step up and help. With "people" you mean private businesses in this context I suppose? If so you could call these incentives "regulations".

Regulations to work for free?
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