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Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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> and something like this will reoccur every year (is that right?!). No. Once you are one of those 60% you either die or get immunity.

It depends. The seasonal flu mutates enough between seasons that last year's immunity doesn't help you much. If we're lucky, this one doesn't do that, or it mutates in a way that symptoms aren't as severe (since causing the host to die or to be isolated in ICU is also bad for the virus, so there's evolutionary pressure towards less severe symptoms).

This isn't flu, Corona's don't mutate in this way.

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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post #158

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It depends. The seasonal flu mutates enough between seasons that last year's immunity doesn't help you much. If we're lucky, this one doesn't do that, or it mutates in a way that symptoms aren't as severe (since causing the host to die or to be isolated in ICU is also bad for the virus, so there's evolutionary pressure towards less severe symptoms).

This isn't flu, Corona's don't mutate in this way.

There are many weaker coronaviruses floating around that give the common cold. We are still getting the common cold from those, so apparently it mutates in a way that our immmunesystem can't stop it.

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This isn't flu, Corona's don't mutate in this way.

There are many weaker coronaviruses floating around that give the common cold. We are still getting the common cold from those, so apparently it mutates in a way that our immmunesystem can't stop it.

It's complicated. https://doi.org/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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We are telling a billion impoverished millennial-somethings that they can murder their wealthy elders with minimal risk and guilt. Heck, there's a whole generation of food-service workers who couldn't take a sick-day even if they wanted to. Will they weep if that pizza kills a retired plutocrat?

I'm not even entirely unsympathetic to that line of thought, but the big problem is that my parents and grandparents are in the risk group too, and they're in no way in the 'I got mine', 'Ok Boomer', 'fuck your future and fuck the environment' cohort.

And I suspect many of the 'elderly' that I don't personally care about are similarly innocent.

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That's ~670 9/11 attacks' worth of dead. ~350x the number of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. ~10x the Civil War. ~3x the yearly heart disease deaths. ~1 death every 0.75 seconds And this'll occur before June, and something like this will reoccur every year (is that right?!). If this thing is anywhere near 1% mortality, the US really is in for a tough time. Yeah, you're right, that is stunning I really need to call my…

> and something like this will reoccur every year (is that right?!). No. Once you are one of those 60% you either die or get immunity.

There have been an incident of someone getting infected twice. Although there seems to be no confidence in the results: https://www.wired.com/story/did-a-woman-get-coronavirus-twic...

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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post #165

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> and something like this will reoccur every year (is that right?!). No. Once you are one of those 60% you either die or get immunity.

There have been an incident of someone getting infected twice. Although there seems to be no confidence in the results: https://www.wired.com/story/did-a-woman-get-coronavirus-twic...

*has

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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We are telling a billion impoverished millennial-somethings that they can murder their wealthy elders with minimal risk and guilt. Heck, there's a whole generation of food-service workers who couldn't take a sick-day even if they wanted to. Will they weep if that pizza kills a retired plutocrat?

I'm not even entirely unsympathetic to that line of thought, but the big problem is that my parents and grandparents are in the risk group too, and they're in no way in the 'I got mine', 'Ok Boomer', 'fuck your future and fuck the environment' cohort. And I suspect many of the 'elderly' that I don't personally care about are similarly innocent.

Well ya, of course, many that we care about and/or innocent in that group.

But among the young we will see a lot of, "I'm pretty stoned, working a double shift and got the sniffles. Did I remember to wipe that pan? Ahhh fuck the boomers!"

This isn't a clear-thinking kind of situation.

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Yes. That happens routinely, usually but not always, if society deems your free will is a threat to it.

Doesn’t seem logical. Why protect someone with such a weak immune system so they can pass it on to the next generation? That makes society weaker.

This attitude is one step away from eugenics. You know who was a big proponent? I'll let you look it up.

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Yes. That happens routinely, usually but not always, if society deems your free will is a threat to it.

Doesn’t seem logical. Why protect someone with such a weak immune system so they can pass it on to the next generation? That makes society weaker.

Funny enough, I know someone who has an auto immune system disorder, and recently found out this person is a lead figure in setting up Covid-19 response systems for major healthcare systems in the US.

Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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> civic and moral duty of every person According to which canon? I find it slightly narcissistic to claim that I would have a moral right to someone else's behavior when it's well within my ability to take preventative steps for my own safety (Wash my hands, dont leave my house, and in between as my risk tolerance allows). It's a little like someone saying "You all owe me X because I exist". Do we also owe it to the…

This feels like a knee jerk reaction formulated from a privileged perspective that believes that all beings’ lives are the same- or have the potential to be the same- as your own. Do you owe it to the immunocompromised? As such an individual, I do not believe I am owed anything of any stripe by anybody. However, as a human being and good citizen, I do believe I owe it to those in my community to do my best to ensure…

> I do believe I owe it to those in my community to do my best to ensure we have a safe, healthy, and thriving community

This is a collectivist morality that not everyone shares. I would argue that American culture is fairly anti-collectivist (at least as I've observed today)

I, however, agree with the general sentiment that others' welfare may be in the individual best interest so maybe that's the avenue to persuade individualist.

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