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Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by TheRealPomax »

ilitirit wrote: post #10

> Mozilla lost the browser wars Honest question... who did they lose to? Google Chrome? For me personally, Firefox has been better than Chrome for several years now. The only reason I still load up Chrome is when I want to stream to my Chromecast.

They won the first one, breaking IE's monopoly. Then they lost the second one to Chrome, which as of 2015 attained >50% browser market share and only keeps going up. Just being good isn't good enough, it's needs to be so much better that trying Firefox and then going back to Chrome makes it painfully obvious that Chrome is not just "not as good" but outright "bad".

And that's a really, really hard thing to pull off.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by justinph »

_8j50 wrote: post #136

Can they focus on making it perform as well as Chrome? I mean, I support their efforts and all but I am forced to use a chrome based browser because FF has poor windows/sso integration and absolutley horrible memory management. A tab of any tool's webui that does a lot of work with a lot of data will not only bring firefox to a halt but the entire system. I can at least try to use it for soft workloads but you never…

Maybe this is a windows thing? I use Firefox on MacOS and it is more performant than Chrome. I rarely have to restart Firefox. Chrome needs a restart at least twice a day (I use Chrome for google hangouts a lot).

This changed recently with Firefox Quantum, which was v69 or v70. I noticed a significant speedup at that point.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by TheRealPomax »

_8j50 wrote: post #136

Can they focus on making it perform as well as Chrome? I mean, I support their efforts and all but I am forced to use a chrome based browser because FF has poor windows/sso integration and absolutley horrible memory management. A tab of any tool's webui that does a lot of work with a lot of data will not only bring firefox to a halt but the entire system. I can at least try to use it for soft workloads but you never…

What happened? They released it in version 69. Since then, Firefox has been running on that Rust engine, called Servo, has been much, much faster than it used to be.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by cobalt60 »

walrus01 wrote: post #60

Firefox on Android has become my go to choice now, because it supports the full set of desktop firefox plugins, including the essential ublock origin. I can't even imagine mobile browsing without full adblock functionality anymore.

AdguardHome/PiHole on DoT/DoH? Android 9+ supports private DNS.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by BurningCycles »

thawaway1837 wrote: post #23
RabbiPires wrote: post #7

All this talk about openness and freedom, and Mozilla's builds still ship with the proprietary Pocket extension by default. I really hope they don't have to rely on the revenue from Pocket at some point. Not only that, but it also connects to Google's SafeBrowsing servers. Is that required by their search engine contract with Google? Shouldn't be turned on by default.

You know they own Pocket right? Pocket is basically their version of Read Later, etc...And it’s completely optional whether you want to use it or not. So I’m not sure I understand this complaint. Mozilla’s first integration of Pocket was poorly done, and rightfully raised complaints. But since they have purchased it, a lot of those complaints have been resolved.

I've not seen any indication that users wanted it, I've also read that Mozilla developers agree that it should be an extension. Yet Mozilla buys this and puts it inside Firefox, where it can at best be disabled by going through about:config and changing parameters.

Why Mozilla is hellbent on pushing this upon their users is beyond me, it just hurts their image in my opinon.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Consultant32452 »

wott wrote: post #148
Consultant32452 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mostly an internet fad. You can safely ignore it.

I wish it was. Mainstream media are often relaying it, as they relay almost all the new liberal leftism/feminism, just a bit less so far. And I am not even talking about the USA but somewhere in Europe where that American stuff was imported in a blink, in spite of the fact that local situation, culture and history do no match that story and the American situation, culture and history at all.

Corporate media should be regarded exactly the same as tobacco executives. Don't let their flailing about in a death spiral concern you. Not only can they be safely ignored, your health will improve if you do.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by MikusR »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #163
_8j50 wrote: post #136

Can they focus on making it perform as well as Chrome? I mean, I support their efforts and all but I am forced to use a chrome based browser because FF has poor windows/sso integration and absolutley horrible memory management. A tab of any tool's webui that does a lot of work with a lot of data will not only bring firefox to a halt but the entire system. I can at least try to use it for soft workloads but you never…

What happened? They released it in version 69. Since then, Firefox has been running on that Rust engine, called Servo, has been much, much faster than it used to be.

Firefox is not based on Servo. It uses only some parts of that project.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by throwaway2048 »

thawaway1837 wrote: post #23
RabbiPires wrote: post #7

All this talk about openness and freedom, and Mozilla's builds still ship with the proprietary Pocket extension by default. I really hope they don't have to rely on the revenue from Pocket at some point. Not only that, but it also connects to Google's SafeBrowsing servers. Is that required by their search engine contract with Google? Shouldn't be turned on by default.

You know they own Pocket right? Pocket is basically their version of Read Later, etc...And it’s completely optional whether you want to use it or not. So I’m not sure I understand this complaint. Mozilla’s first integration of Pocket was poorly done, and rightfully raised complaints. But since they have purchased it, a lot of those complaints have been resolved.

Its still proprietary and closed source, despite them owning it for years now.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by outadoc »

avian wrote: post #35
throwaway8291 wrote: post #3

I'm using Firefox for years, after Chrome started to ask me for a login (at around version 40). Never looked back. One day I woke up to a chart showing browser market share of FF at around 4%, which surprised me - as I thought many people would understand the implications and directions. Maybe I'm too optimistic. Update: Loved chrome, used it for years, I also love most Chrome engineering and all the innovation they…

> I'm using Firefox for years, after Chrome started to ask me for a login It's funny because Firefox has been pushing their login thing pretty hard (the yellow "oh no" exclamation mark icon if you're not logged in, the account icon that keeps placing itself back onto my toolbar, occasional full-page ad/nag screen, ...).

The exclamation mark is only shown when you're logged in but got logged out because of a problem. You can just remove your account whenever you want.
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