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Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by azangru »

_xnmw wrote: post #28
topspin wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happened to React? It's on the wrong end of almost all of those micro benchmarks. I know micro benchmarks don't tell the whole story, but when you consistently wind up on the slow end it's not a good look.

React was a mistake of the last decade. React itself is a great academic idea (i.e. pure functions, composability), but the whole React-Redux boilerplate mess (I dare not call it an "ecosystem" because that word implies harmony of some sort) is the the result of an entire generation of code monkeys and job seekers who didn't design their technology stack with any real engineering consideration, but rather on the basi…

> the whole React-Redux boilerplate mess... is the the result of an entire generation of code monkeys and job seekers who didn't design their technology stack with any real engineering consideration

What do you even mean?

Redux was a simple and elegant implementation of the unidirectional data flow (aka the Flux pattern). It came out during the time when the state of the art was Angular 1.x (aka AngularJS)'s two-way data binding, requiring a lot of dirty checking. Redux might or might not (the story is moot) have been influenced by Elm, which has exactly the same concept of actions, state modifications in response to actions, and re-renders in response to state modifications; all as pure functions; and Elm developers are finding this approach enjoyable and predictable. But even Elm aside, the pattern that redux is using, i.e. communicating via messages (actions) and subscribing to state changes in connected components, is a variation on the age-old, battle-tested event sourcing and pub/sub. What's so bad about that?

Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

npmn wrote: post #139
_xnmw wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

React was a mistake of the last decade. React itself is a great academic idea (i.e. pure functions, composability), but the whole React-Redux boilerplate mess (I dare not call it an "ecosystem" because that word implies harmony of some sort) is the the result of an entire generation of code monkeys and job seekers who didn't design their technology stack with any real engineering consideration, but rather on the basi…

People who despice react because of redux(Boilerplate) should try mobx.

Or you know, use Redux because the boilerplate is gone... https://redux-toolkit.js.org/

You don't have to create actions or constants anymore, you just create your reducer functions and selectors, then use hooks to select and dispatch in your components.

Never got why people took up a completely different paradigm just because they couldn't figure out how to reduce their boilerplate...

Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by mattlondon »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #6

Why is Angular so less popular than React?

I have not done much react apart from a "hello world", but I have been using Angular2+ for years, having previously used AngularJS. Here are a few thoughts:

The learning curve is steep I agree. There does feel like there is a lot of ceremony and boilerplate required for even the more basic "hello world". Also if you are not familiar with RxJS before learning Angular then that is a second learning curve that you need to know too and it is a challenge.

The docs are also very frustrating:

- the API reference is usually just auto-generated with perhaps a single sentence saying "The FooBarDooDad does foo to bar" with zero other content, e.g. https://angular.io/api/core/Query

- the tutorial guides are absolutely huge epic documents, scrolling screen after screen after screen after screen and are far too long and far too convoluted to be useful in my opinion. It feels like they are several entire chapters lifted from a printed book or something, rather than something useful for a developer trying to implement something. E.g. https://angular.io/tutorial/toh-pt6 (and that is just part 6!) I've been doing this for years and I still hate having to go back to those docs.

- the tutorials are all talking about some "Heros" app that I have no idea what it is or what it is doing. I wish they just had examples for the simplest-possible case in stackblitz-widgets that does not need me to know the ins-and-outs of their sample app.

That said, once you are up and running with Angular I have found it is very easy to use, and RxJS is really nice once you get your head around it. Everything works largely as expected, and you can more or less forget about Angular and concentrate on the logic. As far as boilerplate goes, I have found that once you have done the boilerplate once, you just copy-paste from one file to another then do a search-replace for the name etc - takes perhaps 10 seconds etc before you are writing logic.

I would like the Angular team to add some sort of "official" state management feature though in the future. In my view, it is the biggest missing gap in the library and you either have to use NgRX as a separate library, or have to botch a global app state by using either a Service or a convoluted @Input/@Output chain

Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by Phenix88be »

crubier wrote: post #147
Phenix88be wrote: post #136

After 2 years of Angular madness I will send my resignation and I hope I will never work with it again. My app is a big stack of workaround stuff that might break anytime. Because that is how angular work. Some stuff work in a context and doesn't in an other. Nobody's know why ! They have so much issue on Github that they need a bot to close them after a while. They hope the bug disappear by himself ?

Meanwhile, the web apps I wrote in 2014 in react still work flawlessly. Join us, you’ll enjoy the ride!

Thank you, but I m done for the frontend shit for a while. I will be perfectly happy throwing JSON to other frontend dev.

Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by doczoidberg »

mattlondon wrote: post #155
Phenix88be wrote: post #136

After 2 years of Angular madness I will send my resignation and I hope I will never work with it again. My app is a big stack of workaround stuff that might break anytime. Because that is how angular work. Some stuff work in a context and doesn't in an other. Nobody's know why ! They have so much issue on Github that they need a bot to close them after a while. They hope the bug disappear by himself ?

Do you have any examples? I've been doing Angular2+ apps for years and have not experienced this.

I also not experienced these problems.

Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by matsemann »

crubier wrote: post #147
Phenix88be wrote: post #136

After 2 years of Angular madness I will send my resignation and I hope I will never work with it again. My app is a big stack of workaround stuff that might break anytime. Because that is how angular work. Some stuff work in a context and doesn't in an other. Nobody's know why ! They have so much issue on Github that they need a bot to close them after a while. They hope the bug disappear by himself ?

Meanwhile, the web apps I wrote in 2014 in react still work flawlessly. Join us, you’ll enjoy the ride!

The Angular1 apps I wrote around that time are still running as well. The question is about maintaining them.

Did you try to actually upgrade the react version? Lots and lots of breaking changes in that time, some really major ones along the way. Especially when upgrading react also forced one to change router etc.

Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by stringyham »

crubier wrote: post #147
Phenix88be wrote: post #136

After 2 years of Angular madness I will send my resignation and I hope I will never work with it again. My app is a big stack of workaround stuff that might break anytime. Because that is how angular work. Some stuff work in a context and doesn't in an other. Nobody's know why ! They have so much issue on Github that they need a bot to close them after a while. They hope the bug disappear by himself ?

Meanwhile, the web apps I wrote in 2014 in react still work flawlessly. Join us, you’ll enjoy the ride!

Are you suggesting that angular apps written in 2014 would not still be working?

Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by tannhaeuser »

DonHopkins wrote: post #154
tannhaeuser wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a React hater (in fact, I like it a lot when it fits ) but I think when people criticize React, they're actually after the one-size-fits-all attitude displayed in comments such as yours. No, React is clearly not "the only sane way of doing web development" considering the web hosts many types of markup applications, the most successful ones predating React by decades.

Off topic: I've always meant to ask you: Is your name a Blade Runner reference, or are you a user something called "Tannhae"? ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_in_rain_monologue#Tannh%... https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%8E%A2%E6%B5%B7

Don't interpret too much into it :) When I signed up to HN and had to choose a nick, I sat in my living room looking at a Tanne (a fir in German) outside, and chose Tannhäuser (literally, a man who lives in the woods) in a hurry. If anything, it's a (quite arrogant towards the HN crowd) reference to Richard Wagner's opera/character rather than Blade Runner.

Hopefully you're not disappointed :)

Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by annnoo »

There are no words on ESLint instead of the deprecated TSLint... :/ Would really like to do the switch, but official support by Angular is more important at my company.

Re: Angular 9.0

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Post by JoeNr76 »

Phenix88be wrote: post #136

After 2 years of Angular madness I will send my resignation and I hope I will never work with it again. My app is a big stack of workaround stuff that might break anytime. Because that is how angular work. Some stuff work in a context and doesn't in an other. Nobody's know why ! They have so much issue on Github that they need a bot to close them after a while. They hope the bug disappear by himself ?

I've been doing Angular for 5+ years now. I think you might be using it wrong because I never experienced anything like that.
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