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Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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They'll ping your phone? Are you kidding me? You mean they'll look up records right, not a realtime query of device location? How is that legal?

E911 location is real-time.

Yeah...but I assumed banks are not part of E911

Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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E911 location is real-time.

Yeah...but I assumed banks are not part of E911

Carriers were selling the data E911 location. That’s what this article is about. If you want to research further look up the companies that offer mobile location like Jumio, LocationSmart or Zumigo.

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Yeah...but I assumed banks are not part of E911

Carriers were selling the data E911 location. That’s what this article is about. If you want to research further look up the companies that offer mobile location like Jumio, LocationSmart or Zumigo.

Thanks

Re: Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

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This is true, although it's engaging in a bit of hair-splitting.

It's not. The extent to which old-line businesses like telcos and banks will literally sell your data is way beyond anything Google has ever contemplated. I can call a credit card data clearinghouse and order all of the transactions of every age 30-35 male in Akron, Ohio in December 2019 and they'll put that in a spreadsheet and send it to me. It really is important to distinguish between "selling your data" and what…

In my opinion, what Google does is better than just selling raw data. But not that much better -- Google still has the raw data, after all, and other entities get most of the benefits of access to that data.

That's why I consider it splitting hairs.

> if you are unable to make that distinction then you aren't aware of the terrifying scale and specificity of the data provided by other industries.

I am aware of the difference, and you're right, it's terrifying. But it's no less terrifying that Google can still do this.

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Yeah, we do chip, and maybe signature if we feel like it

"feel like it" is practically never. I haven't had anyone ask to see my physical card to compare signatures in over five years.

Isn't this really in service of the customer to not waste their time? The store is the one shouldering the risk because if it turns out to be a thief using the card the store loses money/goods. The more they try to verify you are who you say you are the less risk they are incurring. That's a benefit of credit, it's less risky for the consumer in the end.

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"feel like it" is practically never. I haven't had anyone ask to see my physical card to compare signatures in over five years.

Isn't this really in service of the customer to not waste their time? The store is the one shouldering the risk because if it turns out to be a thief using the card the store loses money/goods. The more they try to verify you are who you say you are the less risk they are incurring. That's a benefit of credit, it's less risky for the consumer in the end.

Absolutely. Just providing information posters like the one above who don't live in the US and might be surprised that no authentication happens here.
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