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Re: Chrome OS has stalled out

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Post by jiofih »

andrewmutz wrote: post #73

I use Chrome OS daily to do my job and I think it is fantastic. IMO it is the ultimate work machine for your average knowledge worker. At my company, all the software that we use is web-based (SaaS), with the exception of software engineers, who are using local tools to develop web based applications. For non-engineers, the OS provides an extremely simple client to use to do their job. The OS is a slightly better web…

Is Google Drive faster in Chromebooks? The web version makes me want to rip my hair out.

Re: Chrome OS has stalled out

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Post by dreamcompiler »

oscargrouch wrote: post #152
dreamcompiler wrote: post #99

The utility of ChromeOS for me is that it enabled the creation of cheap Linux laptops. For $300 plus a 128GB A2-rated SD card, I can boot GalliumOS from the SD card and have a nicely functional Linux development machine with all my important stuff backed up to Dropbox and/or Github. If the laptop gets stolen I don't much care; I just buy another one and reinstall and I haven't lost any data. (I don't use Google's bui…

This is why i think a OS like Chrome is designed exactly to be this sort of trap. A cloud computing trap, where we are perfectly ok with alienating our digital life/data to third-parties without understanding the depth of the problem we are getting into. The ones who control our digital properties, can control the world (information is power, remember?). They might not, but they can, and also can aid third parties wi…

I see your point with regard to ChromeOS, but my post made it clear that I was using Linux, not ChromeOS. My use of my Chromebook is not dependent on Google at all, except for the fact that Google made the hardware exist. I'm dependent on github and Dropbox but I trust both more than I trust Google, and I could easily switch them both to servers I manage.

Re: Chrome OS has stalled out

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Post by dbbk »

3xblah wrote: post #122
andrewmutz wrote: post #73

I use Chrome OS daily to do my job and I think it is fantastic. IMO it is the ultimate work machine for your average knowledge worker. At my company, all the software that we use is web-based (SaaS), with the exception of software engineers, who are using local tools to develop web based applications. For non-engineers, the OS provides an extremely simple client to use to do their job. The OS is a slightly better web…

"All your stuff is up in the cloud." What happens if the knowledge worker loses their connection to the "cloud".

If I had no internet connection at my job at a tech startup I could literally do nothing.

Re: Chrome OS has stalled out

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Post by awinder »

andrewmutz wrote: post #120
Ygg2 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is the thing. Google has one primary source of revenue. Ad tech. If Ad tech fails, all their other sources of revenue won't be able to pay for their other services, so the fear they'll cut them is warranted. Disclaimer I use Google services, but I'm definitely looking for alternatives.

If your other preferred client is the Mac, you have the same challenge with Apple. Their entire mac product line is only 10% of their revenue.

Do google developers get issued chromebooks these days? Either way, there’s a large scale difference in the amount of money (because Apple makes more money than google in addition to 10% being 4x the 2.5% of revenue google is devoting to chromebooks). On top of that, Mac revenue is eaten into by iOS device revenue, which is a pretty close product category. Much closer than ads, at least.

Re: Chrome OS has stalled out

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Post by watermelon0 »

stiray wrote: post #104
andrewmutz wrote: post #73

I use Chrome OS daily to do my job and I think it is fantastic. IMO it is the ultimate work machine for your average knowledge worker. At my company, all the software that we use is web-based (SaaS), with the exception of software engineers, who are using local tools to develop web based applications. For non-engineers, the OS provides an extremely simple client to use to do their job. The OS is a slightly better web…

Well as a work machine in enterprise environment you want to have data under your own control and Google not even fails to deliver, but it is increasing security risk for your data (corporate espionage on USA government level is just one thing that comes to my mind). I have shown this post to a few security guys and they had quite a good laugh. I personally wouldn't use it even if it was free. But I don't live or wor…

Now more than ever, businesses are moving everything to the cloud. Unless you are big enough to afford sysadmins, netsec and other knowledgeable personnel, your data is safer at big cloud providers, than in your own hands.

Even if you have all that at your disposal, it's probably still safer (and more reliable) there, unless:

  a) you actually have to worry about espionage from Google and various governments,
  b) you cannot legally use them (I think some health/financial data under GDPR cannot be hosted outside of the EU), or
  c) you are doing something illegal.
GSuite and GCP are ISO/SOC/HIPAA/etc. compliant, so if there is a breach on their side, you are legally covered.

Not necessarily my opinion on cloud vs self-hosting, but it makes sense from a business perspective.

Re: Chrome OS has stalled out

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Post by gamblor956 »

lowdose wrote: post #139
andrewmutz wrote: post #73

I use Chrome OS daily to do my job and I think it is fantastic. IMO it is the ultimate work machine for your average knowledge worker. At my company, all the software that we use is web-based (SaaS), with the exception of software engineers, who are using local tools to develop web based applications. For non-engineers, the OS provides an extremely simple client to use to do their job. The OS is a slightly better web…

I second this 100%. But this needs to be advocated more. Yesterday on a trending ask HN question how to prevent technology scams for family members I recommended a chromebook. But every negative windows os comment gets downvoted so hard that it left me 0 points at the bottom. Ask HN How do you protect your parents against tech scammers? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21934736 My answer: > Give them a chromebook…

I upgraded my mom to Windows 10 last year, with automatic updates, and she hasn't had any computer issues since then.

As a bonus, I don't have to worry about whether Google's ambivalence will eventually make the computer useless.

Re: Chrome OS has stalled out

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Post by gowld »

kbenson wrote: post #112
zouhair wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think relying on a third party and especially one that is as fickle as Google to do the most basic workload is a sound idea. I won't be surprised if Google kills Chrome OS in the near future, as they killed a lot of stuff already[0]. I don't trust Google anymore. [0]: https://killedbygoogle.com/

While Google hasn't been the best at supporting products (and support in general), I always find statements like this with sites like that distasteful, as they leave out a lot of context that mitigates how bad it is. Sure, Google is EOLing Hangouts, but they provide a replacement. Sure, they've turned down a lot of products (like reader), but many (possibly most of the very large number presented on that site) were b…

Beta means prerelease testing, not EOL.

Re: Chrome OS has stalled out

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Post by gowld »

Analemma_ wrote: post #149
brunoTbear wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a confusing and boring take. A) You have to trust third parties. B) It's boring to point out what Google has killed. But when you look at that list there's nothing as substantial as ChromeOS. Finally, ChromeOS is incredibly widely used internally, and is a revenue generating product in the Chromebook family sold to enterprises alongside Cloud products. It is not an area where Google is going to capitulate or…

> But when you look at that list there's nothing as substantial as ChromeOS. Google+ got way, way more investment than ChromeOS and was considered a top priority at the C-level. Still killed.

The context of this thread is Enterprise, where G+ was not killed.

Re: Chrome OS has stalled out

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Post by gowld »

steego wrote: post #154
dontblink wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly this trope is tiring. FUD.

You might be tired of it, but what it underscores is that Google has developed a reputation for creating experiments and killing them off when they no longer serves Google's purpose. It reminds Google's users that they're not customers, but proverbial farm animals whose attention is being auctioned off to advertisers. I get why they need to kill off products. I took a few minutes to look through https://killedbygoogl…

Enterprise products are not ad financed.
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