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Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by ashkankiani »

greggman2 wrote: post #159
rahuldottech wrote: post #3

That's a no from me. I am not a huge fan of emoji. Especially not in the cli or editor. Emoji are hard to type on non-mobile platforms, and are difficult to search for in logs or files. Often they don't render properly. They're near impossible to deal with from the command-line. Not to mention the accessibility issues. I see no reason why these cannot be accomplished with tags/flairs such as [critical], [bug], etc. T…

They're hard to type? On Mac is Cmd-Ctrl-Space on Windows its Win-Period I generally find those against emoji to be unintentionally racist since other cultures have been using various characters for decades if not longer

That last sentence just made me do a triple take...

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by chrisseaton »

pbourke wrote: post #155
chrisseaton wrote: post #94

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> Please use good ol' plaintext They are plaintext. They’re Unicode characters just like abc. There’s nothing special about them!

What’s special is that they are inherently visual instead of symbolic. What happens when the culture shifts and :bug: is replaced by :pile-of-shit: ? We now must remember that 5 years ago, we used :bug: to mean software defect but after that one blog post we all use :pile-of-shit:? It’s like the second derivative of the floppy-disk-means-save problem, but pushed into our terminals where despite their drawbacks things…

Just seems like any other language evolution to me?

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by krageon »

greggman2 wrote: post #159
rahuldottech wrote: post #3

That's a no from me. I am not a huge fan of emoji. Especially not in the cli or editor. Emoji are hard to type on non-mobile platforms, and are difficult to search for in logs or files. Often they don't render properly. They're near impossible to deal with from the command-line. Not to mention the accessibility issues. I see no reason why these cannot be accomplished with tags/flairs such as [critical], [bug], etc. T…

They're hard to type? On Mac is Cmd-Ctrl-Space on Windows its Win-Period I generally find those against emoji to be unintentionally racist since other cultures have been using various characters for decades if not longer

What about the conversation here has been racist in the way you imply? This is a strawman that came entirely from left field.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by krageon »

scrollaway wrote: post #65
s_kilk wrote: post #50

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An object lesson in the problems of using emoji to actually convey meaning :)

It's a problem insofar as HN is, on purpose, stripping emoji. Which is a questionable choice...

It saves people from having to guess which subculture you come from, just so they can understand what a certain picture means for you. Emoji are very irritating for this reason: They are focused on the writer, and not the audience.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by naniwaduni »

ShorsHammer wrote: post #23
bluerobotcat wrote: post #20

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Cmd+Ctrl+Space brings up the emoji palette on MacOS. This palette is easy to use from the keyboard and works in the terminal too. Some MacBooks famously also have a TouchBar that makes emoji easy to type. I can't remember the last time I had issues rendering emoji, and I have no idea why they'd be difficult to search for or how they would pose any accessibility issues.

What should the other 87% of people do in the interest of fairness? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...

For at least ~20% of them, use an input method editor which is just as capable of emitting emoji as true text!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by warent »

gear54rus wrote: post #149
iaml wrote: post #64

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As a person from another country speaking not-english, I just switch all my devices to english nowadays.

And imagine how much programming and debugging effort could be saved worldwide if everyone did as you and I do.

This is completely absurd. English is my only language but I would never hope for something like this. We're not supposed to cater to the needs of our tools; we're supposed to make technology cater to our needs. Following your logic to its natural conclusion, think about how much programming and debugging effort could be saved worldwide if we just stopped using machines and their features altogether.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by krageon »

feanaro wrote: post #43
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #29

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It's a way of segregating people by age, then acting derisively about various groups in response to that. You identify bad character traits, call them out with the relevant "generation" phrase, and then sneakily imply that they have that character trait because they're within that age range (even when they're not).

The worst part of it is that this obsession with "generations" is almost exclusively tied to the US. In most countries, this concept is not part of the memescape at all, so it's even more confusing.

It's part of the memescape in other countries, but generally only in the most toxic communities.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by mondaygreens »

kalleboo wrote: post #97
mondaygreens wrote: post #31

Nay! Emoji is slang that excludes a huge number of people, not just due to preference but also because the meaning keeps changing and can be confusing if not exhausting to keep up with. It skews young and/or Western and there's far more kinds of programmers than that.

> It skews young and/or Western How does it skew Western when they were literally invented in Japan?

I know, but was speaking more to adoption and usage. Obviously it's my impression, and it informs my vote.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by derefr »

krageon wrote: post #163
greggman2 wrote: post #159

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They're hard to type? On Mac is Cmd-Ctrl-Space on Windows its Win-Period I generally find those against emoji to be unintentionally racist since other cultures have been using various characters for decades if not longer

What about the conversation here has been racist in the way you imply? This is a strawman that came entirely from left field.

I don’t know if “racist” is the right word for what the GP poster meant, but there’s certainly a concept of “complaining about something while ignorant of the fact that it isn’t a problem outside of your own particular culture.” Whatever the adjective for that is.

It’s the same property that applies to the people who, 20 years ago, initially argued for UTF-8 specifically because of how efficiently it encodes from-ASCII codepoints, ignoring that for most text in most languages on Earth, UTF-8 is less efficient than UTF-16. (Of course, UTF-8 won out anyway, but more because it’s easier to parse, auto-resynchronizing, not limited to the first 16 planes, and because we ended up inventing all sorts of XML/JSON-based document formats, like ePub and OfficeXML, that cause even documents in other languages to be mostly from-ASCII codepoints by weight.)

It’s also the relevant property for Americans who complain about large downloads for games, or who have cellphone service but don’t have data, and think “the world” needs solutions to these problems, when really, North American ISPs are uniquely horrible (to the point that a game developed excluding North America as a potential target market could probably do things we’d think of as “impossible” right now, like live-streaming mesh co-AR or something.)

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by shantly »

nkrisc wrote: post #113
DagAgren wrote: post #73

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Ironically, you can't even write proper English in ASCII. It is missing many characters widely used in English text.

You most certainly can. a-z A-Z 0-9 and , . ? ! ; : - ' " ( ) should suffice in nearly all cases apart from anything hyper specialized. You could probably write the majority of all English literature with only those characters, and there's more characters I left off. What other characters are "widely used" in English texts that are missing from ASCII

I'd be surprised if any one of the 500ish English-language books on my shelves could be typeset entirely in ASCII without some compromises. Most are just fiction, too, and few could be characterized as "hyper specialized".
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