What am I missing here? I installed FireFox, set Enhanced Tracking Protection changed to "strict", and went to typical sites that track you (news sites). I still see third-party hits in the Developer Tools (e.g. facebook) and it says it blocked 0 trackers so far.
How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
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Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
!bangs in DuckDuckGo enables you to do searches right on the destination website https://duckduckgo.com/bang
Why even ddg? Chrome and Firefox support this out of the box in the browsers.
I do primarily use bangs from Firefox's address/search uni-bar, so if they added bang support from there, I would start using that feature without changing my habits at all.
Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Stop using chrome. Honestly, wtf?! Firefox is awesome. I do not use Chrome, but I don't think Firefox is awesome. While I use FF, partly for moral reasons, my experience is average and I saw many flaws and bugs. I prefer the features of Vivaldi, which is based on Chromium, but does not phone home to Google. > STOP USING google SEARCH! While my default search engine is Duck Duck Go, I don't recommend it to friends a…
> I saw many flaws and bugs. Can you tell us about (or link us to) some of the many bugs you found in Firefox?
Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Stop using chrome. Honestly, wtf?! Firefox is awesome. I think plenty of people have found Mozilla to have made some poor decisions over the years. It feels as though you have to choose between two options that aren't great, so is there a point in switching? Take the add ons situation. At least on Chrome I can run my own add ons.
> I think plenty of people have found Mozilla to have made some poor decisions over the years. It kills me that someone would be pissed at Mozilla for adding pocket, Chrome comes with so many damn Google centric plugins, and one little useful utility you can remove is what makes you lose it over Firefox? Come on.
Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
#165Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…
DDG is worse than Google for me and totally useless for any searches in my native language. Firefox has 50% worse performance for me in WebGL applications. Media isn't also accelerated still on Linux. Where is the "awesomeness" in that? I really wish those caveats didn't exist for what I use daily.
For Firefox, I don't see how these things matter in my use case. Admittedly I have no clue if any of the sites I use make use of webgl, but the overall speed and snappiness doesn't feel any different between the two browsers, and I use both on Linux.
Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Stop using chrome. Honestly, wtf?! Firefox is awesome. I do not use Chrome, but I don't think Firefox is awesome. While I use FF, partly for moral reasons, my experience is average and I saw many flaws and bugs. I prefer the features of Vivaldi, which is based on Chromium, but does not phone home to Google. > STOP USING google SEARCH! While my default search engine is Duck Duck Go, I don't recommend it to friends a…
> I saw many flaws and bugs. Can you tell us about (or link us to) some of the many bugs you found in Firefox?
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1210727 - 4 years old
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1010527 - 6 years old
Not to mention the weird random full-blown crashes that occur when I try to use it that I can't reproduce, no point in opening an issue for those.
Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Stop using chrome. Honestly, wtf?! Firefox is awesome. I do not use Chrome, but I don't think Firefox is awesome. While I use FF, partly for moral reasons, my experience is average and I saw many flaws and bugs. I prefer the features of Vivaldi, which is based on Chromium, but does not phone home to Google. > STOP USING google SEARCH! While my default search engine is Duck Duck Go, I don't recommend it to friends a…
> I saw many flaws and bugs. Can you tell us about (or link us to) some of the many bugs you found in Firefox?
1. When switching tabs (ctrl + tab), instead of simply moving there, it showed a menu. This means I need to use that tiny menu to decipher which tab I’m on, instead of the entire background.
2. When closing a full screen video playback using ctrl + w, it takes a few seconds of a black screen on Firefox vs instantaneous on chrome
3. When installing extensions, they don’t always have an icon on the top bar, this makes discovarability a pain
Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
#168Take a look: https://webperf.xyz
I have a number of issues with AMP but I will just mention two:
1. If Google addressed how their ad system was being mis-used (and in many respects as-intended) that would have gone a long way to addressing webpage performance. Instead they pushed more work on the publisher to adopt yet another new format (add it to Facebook Instant Articles, Apple News JSON formats, Google News MediaRSS etc.)
2. AMP helped killed some early momentum to make pages faster. They sold a bandaid solution that was 'good enough' for management and undercut engineering efforts to address the root cause.
Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Serious question: what else those websites are supposed to do (that AMP does not provide) with all those megabytes of scripts? Newspapers display a text and an image and very rarely an interactive content(Election day maps and charts, mostly). Is there a reason FROM USERS PERSPECTIVE to have different website codebase for each publisher? For years the Web community kept creating new JavaScript libraries every day and…
from USERS PERSPECTIVE, amp is meh. yes it's faster, does it really matter if you re getting an article in 1 second when you -obviously- plan to spend 2 minutes reading it? i dont know anyone who thinks so, perhaps your USERS do > A strealined conent delivery platform prioritizing UX that the publishers failed to create what you re implying is, Google failed to improve their algorithms to bypass obvious SEOs, so they…
Re: How to fight back against Google AMP as a web user and a web developer
#170Here's one great takeaway: > Treat the cause: Third-party requests slow down the web > ... > - Google owns 7 of the top 10 most popular third-party calls > ... > So you can see why there must be some kind of internal struggle at Google. They understand the value of a faster web but they also cannot go after the main cause of the slow web. And this is how technology such as AMP gets invented and makes things worse. It…
> Firefox is awesome. FF dev tools are awesome. FF, like Wu Tang, is for the kids. FF is awesome, but have they fixed the battery issues on Macs yet? It's a non-starter for me to switch.
- https://mozillagfx.wordpress.com/2019/10/22/dramatically-red...
- https://www.zdnet.com/article/upcoming-firefox-update-will-d...
Give it a go again!