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Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by leesalminen »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #127
leesalminen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only place I’ve ever seen human feces on a public street is in SF and I’ve been to every major US city.

The only place I’ve ever seen human feces on a public street is in SF and I’ve been to every major US city. Are you not looking then? SF isn't even the only place in the Bay Area I've seen shit on the sidewalk.

I don't think I'd consider any other city in the Bay Area a major US city. Maybe it's just California then? I've literally never seen this on the east coast, mid-west or south.

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Post by DonHopkins »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #62

Can human genome be sequenced from human poop? With sequencing getting so cheap, this might be an cheap data source for Hooli and the likes.

You should check out the latest episode of Rick and Morty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_Man_and_the_Seat

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by ng12 »

MisterOctober wrote: post #159
ng12 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not at all a SF problem, it's a metropolitan city problem. NYC, Boston, Denver, Austin, Boise, both Portlands, etc all have the same housing crisis. The truth is well-paying (i.e. middle class) jobs are coalescing in a small number of cities which have failed to adapt to the growth. As a software engineer this means I can either make great money in one of the aforementioned cities or a fraction of it in an "off-…

What's the other Portland, is it Portland, Maine? Sincere question

Yes, it's not as bad as OR but it's on it's way up -- especially for a small city in an underpopulated state.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by supernova87a »

I echo the point that this is merely a symptom of SF's inability to be a little bit more hardnosed and solve its problems.

As an example: I called 311/911 to report a trio of homeless guys, operating a bike chop shop in broad daylight on a Saturday in downtown (and blocking the sidewalk, and creating piles of junk).

The operator said that she would report this to the "neighborhood outreach / management team" or something similar I've forgotten the name of. And she said they would likely be dispatched to resolve it within 2-3 days.

I asked, incredulous, "isn't this a police matter that you should pursue right now? How will they still be here in 3 days?" She gave some unsatisfactory answer of course.

Any other rational city, and the police would be cuffing these guys and hauling them in for questioning about clearly stolen bikes. But here in SF, it's "too inequitable" to be targeting homeless people for actively and visibly engaging in criminal behavior. This is to the point that car break-ins are considered minor acceptable crime.

This city has lost its senses, in the name of thinking it's some post-modern utopia that has to treat everyone equally and naively, and ignore the obvious bullshit going on right in front of our noses.

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Post by riversflow »

kec wrote: post #104
weberc2 wrote: post #95

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Genuine (outsider) question: how is housing not a uniquely-SF problem? The rest of the country and even other parts of California seem to have affordable housing, at least relatively speaking. EDIT: RE downvotes, shame on me for not being familiar with SF politics, I guess. It is, after all, the center of the universe. (◔_◔)

The parts of California which don’t have a housing problem are, broadly speaking, the parts of California which aren’t attractive to a ton of people as places to live. The root cause is prop 13 disincentivizes moving around keeping the supply illiquid, and encourages ninbyism preventing new construction, as you’re basically locked in whenever you currently live.

Wouldn’t people be even more NIMBY if they thought it was going increase their tax rate?

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

supernova87a wrote: post #164

I echo the point that this is merely a symptom of SF's inability to be a little bit more hardnosed and solve its problems. As an example: I called 311/911 to report a trio of homeless guys, operating a bike chop shop in broad daylight on a Saturday in downtown (and blocking the sidewalk, and creating piles of junk). The operator said that she would report this to the "neighborhood outreach / management team" or somet…

Just wait until every restaurant is Taco Bell.

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Post by TwoNineFive »

I am in the middle of an interview process with a company in SF right now. I like the company and the job but I'm not sure about SF. I had already been thinking about the well-known poop problems before I saw this post.

This will be a factor in my decision to take the job or not.

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Post by btilly »

ng12 wrote: post #154
weberc2 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not at all a SF problem, it's a metropolitan city problem. NYC, Boston, Denver, Austin, Boise, both Portlands, etc all have the same housing crisis. I was responding to the claim that it's a state- or national-level problem. Perhaps you would argue that this meets some criteria for being a 'national-level' problem, but it's not obvious to me.

Oh -- do you mean to ask how state/national politics play into San Francisco's housing crisis? California state law is a big part of the problem: it gives individual cities way too much power to decide what gets built and what doesn't, severely restricting supply. For example, neighborhood associations can filibuster new development into nothingness, even for contradictory reasons like not having enough parking but a…

More than that, Prop 13 incentivizes cities to have commercial real estate instead of residential. Thereby forcing housing to be ever farther from workplaces.

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Post by shados »

supernova87a wrote: post #164

I echo the point that this is merely a symptom of SF's inability to be a little bit more hardnosed and solve its problems. As an example: I called 311/911 to report a trio of homeless guys, operating a bike chop shop in broad daylight on a Saturday in downtown (and blocking the sidewalk, and creating piles of junk). The operator said that she would report this to the "neighborhood outreach / management team" or somet…

That's a trend all over the country. I read an article about Seattle almost completely giving up on this type and other non violent crimes. The east coast, like in Boston is getting there too. If no one is about to die, just shut up and deal with it.
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