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Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by zozbot234 » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:22 PM UTC

mikece wrote: post #152

jacquesm wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bigger problem the police have is not that they don't have enough cases go after, it is that they already are overwhelmed by the cases they do have and the fact that those departments are typically understaffed and overworked. It takes a special kind of person to be exposed to this crap on a daily basis and still be able to function, employee turnover is - not surprisingly - high and the effectiveness is relative…

This cannot be emphasized enough. Normal humans can’t imagine the depravity to which child predators descend. I’ve heard stories from the teams who review content uploaded to YouTube to remove this filth and people who were just looking for a paying job end up alcoholic, suicidal and psychologically messed up for life after Only a few weeks of encountering this this stuff as part of the flagged content review process…

Yup, my guess is that child predators, by and large, are basically criminal psychopaths. I wonder how many of them only prey on kids because they're such a convenient, vulnerable target.

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by saagarjha » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:23 PM UTC

bboygravity wrote: post #156

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe go outside, make some friends, join a community of individuals who are interested in claiming their place in the history of the world. Stop waiting for a champion to come and save you, and just be a champion. We're trying to form a voting bloc in my community to turn the local government upside down. If similar movements happened in other communities around the U.S. the legislature would be very different.

That's nice and I truly hope you'll succeed. My strategy is slightly different and more selfish: I'm planning to move to the only country in the world that has direct democracy. At the same time I try to convince people outside of that country of what should be their political number 1 priority (in my humble opinion); political decisions through popular vote.

Switzerland?

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by tomhoward » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:23 PM UTC

deogeo wrote: post #4

Dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21559957

It's only a dupe if another submission of the same article/topic already had solid upvoting and discussion:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by oarsinsync » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:26 PM UTC

bboygravity wrote: post #156

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe go outside, make some friends, join a community of individuals who are interested in claiming their place in the history of the world. Stop waiting for a champion to come and save you, and just be a champion. We're trying to form a voting bloc in my community to turn the local government upside down. If similar movements happened in other communities around the U.S. the legislature would be very different.

That's nice and I truly hope you'll succeed. My strategy is slightly different and more selfish: I'm planning to move to the only country in the world that has direct democracy. At the same time I try to convince people outside of that country of what should be their political number 1 priority (in my humble opinion); political decisions through popular vote.

Switzerland isn't big enough to take us all, unfortunately

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by bboygravity » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:27 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #162

bboygravity wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's nice and I truly hope you'll succeed. My strategy is slightly different and more selfish: I'm planning to move to the only country in the world that has direct democracy. At the same time I try to convince people outside of that country of what should be their political number 1 priority (in my humble opinion); political decisions through popular vote.

Switzerland?

yep

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by auslander » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:28 PM UTC

I will continue using strong crypto for all my data even if it will be illegal. Cyberpunks not dead.

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by jacquesm » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:29 PM UTC

zozbot234 wrote: post #161

mikece wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This cannot be emphasized enough. Normal humans can’t imagine the depravity to which child predators descend. I’ve heard stories from the teams who review content uploaded to YouTube to remove this filth and people who were just looking for a paying job end up alcoholic, suicidal and psychologically messed up for life after Only a few weeks of encountering this this stuff as part of the flagged content review process…

Yup, my guess is that child predators, by and large, are basically criminal psychopaths. I wonder how many of them only prey on kids because they're such a convenient, vulnerable target.

Here is one particularly shocking example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_sex_crimes_case

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by fghtr » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:31 PM UTC

cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #22

Sigh. What we can basically tell from this is that the Five Eyes crew have joint legislation ready to go on this and are now going to insert an easy-to-digest and appealing narrative into the mainstream ahead of the release of that legislation. The combination of "But the children! You don't support child predators, do you?!", low general technical understanding and overall apathy to the removal of our rights (in the…

EFF could still help here, so become a member if you still care.

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by jacquesm » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:32 PM UTC

miracle2k wrote: post #148

jacquesm wrote: post #129

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I aspire to one day reach your level of cynicism but for now I will have to disagree with you that that is insubstantial, even on a world basis. Especially so because it is concentrated in only a very few countries where children have a very high chance of being exploited in this way. Have a read. https://www.rappler.com/nation/191219-philippines-top-global...

With respect, which part of this article do you find interesting? In fact, it totally confirms my expectation going in, that the whole thing is empty PR phrases and bullshit numbers. I mean, take the very first line: "The Philippines has become a top global source of child pornography with around 80% of Filipino kids at risk of online sexual abuse or bullying, a global Unicef report said Tuesday, December 12." That's…

The article quotes a Unicef report that I can't find a good source for, and the Phillipines being problematic in this respect is something that is not exactly a secret, it is where a lot of 'production' happens. I'm sure if you dig around a bit you'll find lots of corroboration for that datum. Anyway, I'm on the clock and only look at HN during breaks right now, if not for that I'd be more than happy to find better references.

Re: Interpol plans to condemn encryption spread, citing predators

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Post by upofadown » Mon, Nov 18, 2019, 1:32 PM UTC

The "going dark" issue has been known for something like 30 years now. Law enforcement has had a lot of warning. Instead of modifying why way they did things they instead wasted their time by buying various sort of cracking technologies. Any idiot could see that such technologies were a stopgap measure. Now those technologies are not working very well, or at all, and law enforcement is acting all surprised and outraged.