Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by ponyfleisch » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:19 AM UTC

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #157

pteredactyl wrote: post #145

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When I hear this, I hear jobs and the most revolutionary green company are not welcome. If that's the case, Berlin is lost. There is good and bad to gentrification. You don't hear stories of the people who bought their house for 50k in 1980 who then sold it in 2010 for 1.3MM. Or the people thankful they don't have to walk around in fear of gangs for themselves or their children. TO me the biggest problem is the State…

You’re making it look like it’s either the ghetto or the yuppies, but there is a clear middle that people don’t want to sacrifice either. Having a bunch of people paid 5 times what you are coming to your area is never fun.

> Having a bunch of people paid 5 times what you are coming to your area is never fun.

It's probably a net positive overall though, especially if the money these people are paid (and spend locally) is coming from other parts of the world/country.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by LMYahooTFY » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:31 AM UTC

pteredactyl wrote: post #147

jussij wrote: post #69

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Europe has lived history of governments collecting data on it's citizens. Since Google openly collects data on it's users, I suspect that fact does not sit well with that same populous.

False comparison. Google users are voluntary. No one forces someone to use Google like the Government forces someone to pay tax.

Google users are not the only target of Google's data mining, so this is extremely disingenuous. I'm not even sure how to define a Google user.

Furthermore the comment seemed in reference to the origins of fascist political ideology in Europe and their relation to what happened when data mining was weaponized against a population.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by ijidak » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:41 AM UTC

robotresearcher wrote: post #133

erikpukinskis wrote: post #64

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I think the main issues are shipping costs, supply chain, and skills base. So you’d have to argue for Israel on those three points. I don’t think the domestic market size is primary. They built a factory in Nevada.

Nevada is in a pretty stable free trade deal with the other United States.

That made me laugh

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by flukus » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:46 AM UTC

detaro wrote: post #112

usrusr wrote: post #110

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According to lore, it all started with the architect deciding against the tried and tested usage of little chimney-like structure on top of the terminal roofs for fire protection de-fuming, insisting instead on some novel, less visible solutions for aesthetic reasons. Those then caused all kinds of follow-up issues, eventually leading into the construction equivalent of the perpetual bugfix cycle, where every fix bri…

As far as I remember, the estimation was that the fire system was properly designed (although more complex for the mentioned artistic reasons) and would have worked - for the building that was originally planned, which the airport company then changed massively.

Seems like there's a lesson there about sticking to tried and proven solutions even if you come up with a better one. Or maybe it's a worse is better thing?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pbreit » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:47 AM UTC

propercoil wrote: post #24

Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

Slow to expand to other countries? I would say they are operating at lightspeed! Think for a moment the colossal effort involved in expanding a car company around the world. And not just a car company, but a direct-to-customer model with a completely new fueling method.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pbreit » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:56 AM UTC

notJim wrote: post #62

robertkrahn01 wrote: post #56

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Nah, BER will actually be turned into the Tesla factory. This way they can at least stop spending millions just to keep the lights on.

It's true, they both hemorrhage money, but at least with Tesla they also produce electric cars. (Tesla fans: relax.)

Might be getting downvoted since Tesla generated $2b in cash flow past 12m months and has all time high cash on hand. And then the "relax" insult despite being dead wrong.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pbreit » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:56 AM UTC

notJim wrote: post #27

choeger wrote: post #2

Please drop your inevitable BER jokes below so we can recylce them properly later.

Placing it near that airport may be the biggest risk Musk has ever taken.

Why is that?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by iagooar » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 5:58 AM UTC

It is great news for Berlin (and Brandenburg) as it will bring (big) money and attract talent. It might even attract people from Poland which is only an hour drive away and has a large pool of very talented and experienced engineers. So far besides maybe Siemens there wasn't too much industry here, which is more present in the south of the country.

Being outside of the city center it won't contribute too much to gentrification and probably it will help Brandenburg getting more people to live there, pay taxes, buy property, shop, etc.

So far reactions have been neutral to good, which by Berlin standards is an amazing result.

I kind of wonder if the decision of bringing the factory to Berlin wasn't based on the amount of software engineering talent that is available, more than the more traditional engineers.

In any case, I'm happy about Tesla coming to Germany, interesting times!

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pbreit » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 6:04 AM UTC

Koremat6666 wrote: post #10

Why should a GIGA factory be located near the airport and in a city ? A factory meant to mass produce something should be somewhere the land is cheap should not it be ?

As the poster above you wrote: 'East Europe wages' with 'West Europe capabilities'

That is about as good as it gets.

They probably got the land cheap and commitment to build at another record breaking pace.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by wolf550e » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 6:04 AM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #160

propercoil wrote: post #51

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Our north snows every year and it gets really cold in the winter (the center of the country Jerusalem snows every other year too). Also, Jordan next to us has Teslas and we have lower temperatures so it's not the climate.

If you don't mind, this always fascinates me. What does "really cold" mean to you?

"really cold" is incorrect in a global context. The coldest place in Israel[1] gets to only just below freezing temperature in the winter.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Hermon#Climate