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Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 10:29 AM UTC

2rsf wrote: post #148

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #140

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I'm not sure it solves the main problem which is scrolling on the remote is almost unusable. They would have been better sticking with the remote that came with the early versions.

what do you mean by scrolling being unusable ? it's not a mouse wheel with steady scroll rate but something similar to flicking a finger. It's not great for long lists but it's far from being terrible, also part of the problem lies on the UI design for example having too long lists

It is terrible, it regularly fails to scroll or scrolls too far.

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by saberience » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 10:42 AM UTC

code_sloth wrote: post #83

mc3 wrote: post #35

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That's not even the best example. .NET Core vs. .NET Standard was a wtf?

> .NET Core vs. .NET Standard was a wtf? At least they named it core and standard so you know which mess you're referring to. With Apple TV you have to make up your own qualifiers. Apple's marketing team seems to failing at their jobs right now. They had iPhone had X/Xr/Xs/Xs Max at some point, and I never figure out which was which. The most recent 11/11 pro/11 pro max makes a lot more sense, but it sounds dated.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it a "mess"

.Net Core and Standard are two of the best things Microsoft has done in the past 5 years and part of the reason why .Net is doing so well and is super popular.

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by pndy » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 11:04 AM UTC

sk5t wrote: post #44

andrewstuart wrote: post #21

Remember when .NET came out? Everything was .NET. As a result, no-one really had any idea what .NET actually was. Eventually we figured out it was "Microsoft's Java". Windows also went through a phase in which seemingly everything was Windows.

Microsoft has gone through some pretty dark times w.r.t. naming stuff. Up there with "Windows" everything and absurdities like ".net Passport" was their unslakable thirst for "Active." ActiveX, Active Server Pages, Active Data Objects. However, none of it holds a candle to IBM's mania for making everything "Websphere."

> Up there with "Windows" everything and absurdities like ".net Passport"

.NET Passport went thru series of rebranding: Microsoft Passport, Windows Live ID and of course the current Microsoft Account. In some places they also tried to roll everything under MSN brand which later was replaced partially by Windows Live and then again, once they managed to combine their services, MSN applications were bundled with Windows 8 and 10 (News, Weather, Sports etc.). Not mention all GUI changes across the years...

Microsoft trying to figure out what's its brand identity it's like a kid who tries to combine a single image of various jigsaw puzzles sets, periodically smashing pieces together to fit

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by sigwinch28 » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 11:21 AM UTC

nneonneo wrote: post #115

Netflix refers to a company, an app, a third-party app on some Smart TVs, and a subscription service, but people don’t generally get confused. Consistent branding isn’t necessarily a bad thing. That said, Apple’s support for third-party Smart TV apps is actually quite unusual IMHO; this really reduces their usual control over quality and experience.

Is it really inconsistent branding, though?

To me, every one of these Netflixes is the same: the Netflix on my phone, tablet, TV, games console, and the website are all the same product.

For Apple TV, however, the exact same name is used to refer to multiple different products and experiences: the device, the app on the device, the app on different devices, and many of these experiences differ significantly.

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by larusso » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 11:22 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #149

larusso wrote: post #136

Ahhh Apple iPhoneOS became iOS (Because of the iPad and appleTV 2) iOS for the appleTV became tvOS. OSX became macOS iOS for iPad became iPadOS I wait with glee when they rename iOS back to iPhoneOS.

iPod Touch still runs iOS.

Right. So a rename to iPodOs is due ;)

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by Mindwipe » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 11:29 AM UTC

gremlinsinc wrote: post #153

What i find confusing... is I use the subscription service from Roku (trial). I kind of like that new Morning Show show, and then I wanted to see what else they had to offer on their streaming service but everything is mixed w/ 3rd party crap that's like $2/episode or something. I just want free stuff/included stuff. I login to prime/netflix I know where to go to get all the included stuff. on Apple+ via Roku it's co…

There's literally only four shows included, so it's barely worth having a category.

(There actually is a category, well hidden, on the Mac/Apple TV hardware version of the app, but I'm not familiar with the Roku UI.)

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by Mindwipe » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 11:33 AM UTC

buildbuildbuild wrote: post #3

Apple TV+ has its flaws. So did Netflix on day one.

Netflix also existed in a radically different market and set of competitors with wildly different consumer expectations.

This is a weird comparison. Apple TV+ isn't competing with Netflix day one, it's competing with Netflix today.

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by anticensor » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 11:37 AM UTC

Apple TV: Far Seer's Edition

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by codeulike » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 11:40 AM UTC

sk5t wrote: post #44

andrewstuart wrote: post #21

Remember when .NET came out? Everything was .NET. As a result, no-one really had any idea what .NET actually was. Eventually we figured out it was "Microsoft's Java". Windows also went through a phase in which seemingly everything was Windows.

Microsoft has gone through some pretty dark times w.r.t. naming stuff. Up there with "Windows" everything and absurdities like ".net Passport" was their unslakable thirst for "Active." ActiveX, Active Server Pages, Active Data Objects. However, none of it holds a candle to IBM's mania for making everything "Websphere."

Don't forget Active Directory, the only Active-branded product that is still, er, active.

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by giancarlostoro » Mon, Nov 04, 2019, 11:42 AM UTC

ulfw wrote: post #63

Pxtl wrote: post #59

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Dark times are still happening. Right now they're renaming everything Azure regardless of whether it's part of their cloud offerings. Also, Live was another Microsoft naming phase. For me, the canary in the coal mine of ms naming is their messenger. Msn messenger, live messenger, Skype, Skype for business, Teams... I assume the next iteration will be named Azure Teams.

I give you msn and live messenger. All the other ones are literally different products each. I expect different products to have different names. Why there were so many messenger products is a different question. Anyone from Google wanna jump in and explain this one? ;)

My best guess is Skype was much more profitable than MSN. But Microsoft took the best features of Skype and removed them and the quality got diminished probably in order to monkeypatch Lync into Skype as well as MSN at the time.

After like 2013 I never used Skype again. Now everyone I know either uses Discord or Slack. Teams was at least the right direction for business focus but it seems they shoulda QAd it much more. I dont hear much positive about Teams.