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U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#161
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Yes, Americans should only be exposed to American Corporate-sanctioned propaganda.

Hey, at least americans can vote on that propoganda.

They can not. Media ownership and media content, even NPR, is not tied to electoral representation.

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#162

While I agree that Chinese soft imperialism is bad, I think it's tremendously funny that Americans are complaining about it now, after years of using military and economic power to enforce a similar imperialism everywhere.

Americans beginning to complain that the Chinese government is influencing American's free speech at home due to the financial entanglements made freely by American companies. In essence, US companies economic interests are impacting US citizen free speech.

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#163

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>we're subject to American censorship policies. Tumblr / Facebook / YouTube being most notable in their filtering of LGBT content and suspending accounts of LGBT users, because of the American governments stance on human sexuality No, you're subject to corporate censorship policies. Let's not pretend that individual platforms regulating content is the same as government censorship. Please show me how their policies a…

> corporate censorship policies Which in a large part with preference tailored to US

Yeah, but not the US government.

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#164
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While the US doesn't hard censor media like China, I'd agree there is something of a soft censorship/ignoring of many topics. And, if you think about US based hard restraints, there are certainly onerous restrictions with rules attached to financial services imposed by the US into foreign nations.

The censorship is completely different though, if you want to write "Fuck Donald Trump", or give a detailed account of his crimes on a US platform, it will not be censored. Try the same in a Chinese owned platform about f.ex. something as obvious as Tianmen. There are some things such as porn that is censored in many areas.

It is certainly different, that's why I was drawing a distinction between hard and soft censorship. No hard censorship in the US, but the soft censorship is maybe more pervasive then you first realize. E.g. I think of the MPAA as a form of soft censorship, and one whose rating system was constrained at times by fairly conservative groups. Are there ways around it, yes, especially today, but not not as much historically. Major media coverage in the US also practices a soft censorship of attention and depth of coverage of certain topics too.

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#165

While I agree that Chinese soft imperialism is bad, I think it's tremendously funny that Americans are complaining about it now, after years of using military and economic power to enforce a similar imperialism everywhere.

Great point! Now I we don't have to worry about it. Move along everyone, nothing to see here!

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#166

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What’s the point here though? America et al also don’t like certain things being published on social media and try stop it from existing on those platforms too.

Do you have an example? The only things I can think of are illegal (like child porn) which everyone should be able to agree should be banned.

Don't be so sure about that, the first amendment is to categorically prevent any discussion of which speech is appropriate. Saying hate speech is restricted or that pornographic images of children are restricted is starting the discussion that was not supposed to start because it always ends in tyranny.

In the latter case, is child pornography probably indicative of a crime? Absolutely. But banning the images and their dissemination is clearly an infringement of free speech. In the former, banning hate speech is also clearly an infringement of free speech. If someone's actions result in violence or death then punish them after, and divorced from the issue of speech; do not place prior restraint on speech.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#167

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What’s the point here though? America et al also don’t like certain things being published on social media and try stop it from existing on those platforms too.

I can post on Facebook that I disagree with president Trump and he is a liar, try doing the same in China. (Please don't take my comment as a suggestion about President Trump, just trying to make a point).

Try posting that you don't think he is a liar and see if any of your faceberg friends see your post.

We're not far off from china levels of censorship. Look at the NBA as of late.

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#169
I am an American-born man of Western European descent. My girlfriend is a Chinese passport holder here on H1B. I am an anarchist.

I absolutely do not understand why there is so much hate for Chinese people, Chinese companies, or the Chinese government. Literally everything has flaws, and Western Europe and USA have plenty of them.

If you are not willing to say "China does xyz but actually also my country does something similar to xyz too, and it's definitely bad"...

...then at the very least, please do not act as if your statements about Chinese nationals are 100% true for every individual. Humans are humans, they differ in meaningful ways but they also deserve dignity and respect.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

#170

While I agree that Chinese soft imperialism is bad, I think it's tremendously funny that Americans are complaining about it now, after years of using military and economic power to enforce a similar imperialism everywhere.

The false equivalence is strong with this one. In no way shape or form is it even remotely similar.
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