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Re: Facebook crawls links in PDFs you send in Messenger

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post #65

This will keep happening until they enable e2e. I’ve had Facebook block several links sent in private message groups, to completely legal and safe sites (Messenger prints out an obscure API error and refuses to send the content). They have done this for a long time.

Worth noting WhatsApp also provides link previews now. Although it is supposedly e2e communication, the link previews are likely generated by reaching out to a similar facebook unfurl service. They can then have a single map of phone num -> links rendered between fb and whatsapp.

Try sending a link immediately and you'll see that it doesn't get a preview.

Give it a few second after pasting it and you'll get the preview, because it gets it from your device.

Re: Facebook crawls links in PDFs you send in Messenger

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Sort of like how all of us check Hacker News daily? Don’t act like we’re any better

I go to websites other than Hacker News.

Yeah those FB people don’t go to other sites! /sarcasm

Re: Facebook crawls links in PDFs you send in Messenger

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post #30
post #4

Microsoft does this with Skype too. They say it's for detecting malicious links.

As always in big tech, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I have absolutely no problems with the don't. I don't think any central body should be responsible for policing my private conversations and it just seems like a convenient excuse for these companies to perpetuate the surveillance.

Re: Facebook crawls links in PDFs you send in Messenger

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post #149

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What are you claiming is the market failure here?

Market Failure [1] is the definition in economics for this situation. There is a non-price, non-market mechanism imposing a cost upon us. Just like if your neighbour at the restaurant lights up a cigarette and you hate that and it spoils your meal. You can't very well "give up smoking" to fix that. Just like any public good - eg national defence, it can't be done by a free market alone and so never is. Just like if a…

I wasn't asking for the definition of market failure. I was asking what you claim is the market failure here.

> Facebook have my data, they use it, without my consent and I have no way of taking my business elsewhere to remedy that. This is one of the many costs facebook impose on all of us. These are costs that not all of us feel we want to bare or feel there is a benefit from it. Us stopping using facebook does not fix that cost, we continue to incur it. That meets the textbook definition of "market failure".

I cringed when I read this, because it's an egregious abuse of economic terminology. You're using the term "market failure" as a synonym for "something I don't like". That's not what market failure means. What you're describing is "people have information about me that I wish they didn't have". That's not a market failure. It's like when people misuse the terms "Dunning-Kruger effect" or "not even wrong" without understanding their real meaning.

> Eg it's market failure if I don't like the color my neigbor paints their front door

This confirms my suspicion that you don't understand what market failure means. Stop abusing economic terminology and read up on what Pareto efficiency means. Here's a hint: The scenario you described is perfectly compatible with Pareto efficiency. Market failure implies Pareto inefficiency. Therefore, the situation you described is not a market failure. Seriously, you should make an effort understand the terms you're using (especially technical ones) before throwing them around.

Re: Facebook crawls links in PDFs you send in Messenger

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post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you claiming is the market failure here?

Market Failure [1] is the definition in economics for this situation. There is a non-price, non-market mechanism imposing a cost upon us. Just like if your neighbour at the restaurant lights up a cigarette and you hate that and it spoils your meal. You can't very well "give up smoking" to fix that. Just like any public good - eg national defence, it can't be done by a free market alone and so never is. Just like if a…

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