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Re: Assange in Court

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Post by mmjaa »

oliwarner wrote: post #131
whamlastxmas wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling someone to Google a publicly available tool is hardly assisting in any criminal way

And if he stopped resisting, he'd have the opportunity to test that view in a court.

As we have seen, "stop resisting" is a sure-fire way to have yourself turned into a chemical zombie by the state that's supposed to be protecting you.

I doubt very much that the 'rational approach' of giving oneself up to the very people whose crimes you've been revealing is going to be a productive way to continue the effort of revealing crimes against humanity.

Re: Assange in Court

#162

Post by mmjaa »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #151
mmjaa wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>objectivity + >considered within the spectrum What is your purpose here? To defend the actions of the UK court, which is clearly being corrupted by following direction from US agents? Or to open the door for the, very definite Assange-haters, to have a way around the argument that Assange is not getting a fair trial, that this case is a total farce , and that anyone who stands up to the military-industrial-pharmaceu…

> To defend the actions of the UK court, which is clearly being corrupted by following direction from US agents? Clearly corrupted if the article is accurate . FireBeyond questioned the accuracy. You assume the accuracy of the article, and question FireBeyond's motives. But the question still stands: Is the article accurate? Can you provide any confirmation that it is? Are there any independent accounts of the hearin…

Given the long history of atrocious crimes against humanity being committed by the US and its Coalition allies, it is logical to conclude that Assange has been chemically lobotomized in order to reduce the threat he poses to war-fighting operations.

If you want an independent view of Assange's mental health and wellbeing, you're going to have to wait. He is being held in Bellmarsh so that nobody can actually verify anything - not even his lawyers, and that IS THE POINT ENTIRELY - thus giving the CIA and its UK lackeys every opportunity to have their way with Assange, without anyone knowing anything until its well and truly, too late.

If you want 'independent verification' before you're willing to believe the state would do this to its enemies, maybe you should look at the long history of other enemies of the state being chemically lobotimized once they are held in secret conditions under the control of agents of the very military-industrial complex institutions whose crimes against humanity are being revealed.

BY DESIGN: there is no public oversight and there won't be until they have finished their lobotomy operation.

This is a serious situation which requires citizens such as yourself to have the courage to confront the details: the West has been torturing and disappearing its dissidents for decades. Go find out for yourself how bad it is.

Re: Assange in Court

#163

Post by AnimalMuppet »

mmjaa wrote: post #162
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To defend the actions of the UK court, which is clearly being corrupted by following direction from US agents? Clearly corrupted if the article is accurate . FireBeyond questioned the accuracy. You assume the accuracy of the article, and question FireBeyond's motives. But the question still stands: Is the article accurate? Can you provide any confirmation that it is? Are there any independent accounts of the hearin…

Given the long history of atrocious crimes against humanity being committed by the US and its Coalition allies, it is logical to conclude that Assange has been chemically lobotomized in order to reduce the threat he poses to war-fighting operations. If you want an independent view of Assange's mental health and wellbeing, you're going to have to wait. He is being held in Bellmarsh so that nobody can actually verify a…

I do not deny that such things have happened. But by your logic, every time a light bulb burns out in Tierra del Fuego, it's logical to conclude that it's a CIA conspiracy, because of the long history of CIA intervention in Latin America. That is, while such things have happened, far more things have happened that were not the result of the US government's nefariousness.

What I wanted was an independent account of the hearing. I know Assange is locked up and isn't able to give interviews. But his friend was able to attend the hearing, so reporters should have been able to, also. Where are their reports?

And, in particular, the US is requesting extradition, so of course US agents are in court requesting stuff from the judge. I'd like to hear from an unbiased reporter whether what happened at the hearing was normal, or whether it really was US agents improperly controlling the court.

As I said, this article is so clearly biased that I cannot accept its judgment on this question. Where are the mainstream news accounts?

> If you want 'independent verification' before you're willing to believe the state would do this to its enemies, maybe you should look at the long history of other enemies of the state being chemically lobotimized once they are held in secret conditions under the control of agents of the very military-industrial complex institutions whose crimes against humanity are being revealed.

You're making the claim. Cite some sources (preferably creditable ones).

Re: Assange in Court

#164

Post by oliwarner »

mmjaa wrote: post #161
oliwarner wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if he stopped resisting, he'd have the opportunity to test that view in a court.

As we have seen, "stop resisting" is a sure-fire way to have yourself turned into a chemical zombie by the state that's supposed to be protecting you. I doubt very much that the 'rational approach' of giving oneself up to the very people whose crimes you've been revealing is going to be a productive way to continue the effort of revealing crimes against humanity.

> As we have seen

We have? Where?

Re: Assange in Court

#165

Post by AnimalMuppet »

oliwarner wrote: post #164
mmjaa wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As we have seen, "stop resisting" is a sure-fire way to have yourself turned into a chemical zombie by the state that's supposed to be protecting you. I doubt very much that the 'rational approach' of giving oneself up to the very people whose crimes you've been revealing is going to be a productive way to continue the effort of revealing crimes against humanity.

> As we have seen We have? Where?

In mmjaa's fevered imagination. To him, Assange's reported lack of clarity in court is proof that the state is chemically lobotomizing him. Actual evidence has not so far been presented.

Re: Assange in Court

#166

Post by mmjaa »

oliwarner wrote: post #164
mmjaa wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As we have seen, "stop resisting" is a sure-fire way to have yourself turned into a chemical zombie by the state that's supposed to be protecting you. I doubt very much that the 'rational approach' of giving oneself up to the very people whose crimes you've been revealing is going to be a productive way to continue the effort of revealing crimes against humanity.

> As we have seen We have? Where?

Every western political dissident since 1950 has been subject to mind-altering chemical lobotomies for 'the sake of their mental health'. Anyone who pays even the slightest attention to the way dissidents are treated in the West can observe this for themselves. It is the norm to heavily medicate dissidents and those who proffer undesirable viewpoints against the powers that be - "he must be insane" is the standard repose for those having their crimes revealed.

All you have to do, is pay attention. Julian even predicted it would happen to him personally and warned us.

Look at the David Shayler case, for example. He was in the Bellmarsh brainwashing pipeline before Assange, and the same thing is happening to Julian.

Re: Assange in Court

#167

Post by mmjaa »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #165
oliwarner wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As we have seen We have? Where?

In mmjaa's fevered imagination. To him, Assange's reported lack of clarity in court is proof that the state is chemically lobotomizing him. Actual evidence has not so far been presented.

"mmjaa is insane" - ah, there we go, the standard response for anyone challenged by the thought that, perhaps, they're not living in as free a society as they think - especially when all it takes to get someone chemically lobotomized, is to challenge their sanity.

Lets come back to this in a few months when there will be evidence of Assanges' torture by the UK on behalf of its masters in the USA, presented to the relevant authorities.

Remember this: Medicating people with psychotropic drugs designed to radically alter their minds, against their will, is a crime against humanity.

Re: Assange in Court

#168

Post by mmjaa »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #163
mmjaa wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the long history of atrocious crimes against humanity being committed by the US and its Coalition allies, it is logical to conclude that Assange has been chemically lobotomized in order to reduce the threat he poses to war-fighting operations. If you want an independent view of Assange's mental health and wellbeing, you're going to have to wait. He is being held in Bellmarsh so that nobody can actually verify a…

I do not deny that such things have happened. But by your logic, every time a light bulb burns out in Tierra del Fuego, it's logical to conclude that it's a CIA conspiracy, because of the long history of CIA intervention in Latin America. That is, while such things have happened, far more things have happened that were not the result of the US government's nefariousness. What I wanted was an independent account of th…

>What I wanted was an independent account of the hearing. ... Where are their reports?

Indeed, the silence is deafening. Why do you think nobody else in Western media would be reporting on their observations of Assange during this hearing?

The reason is, this whole legal process is a farce. Assange has been chemically lobotomized, and will not get a fair trial - because he is now in the hands of the very people whose crimes against humanity he was dedicated to exposing.

Nevertheless, there will be more leaks, and there will be more actions taken against warmongers and criminals who think they are invincible. There is a big package of justice coming their way...

Re: Assange in Court

#169

Post by AnimalMuppet »

mmjaa wrote: post #167
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In mmjaa's fevered imagination. To him, Assange's reported lack of clarity in court is proof that the state is chemically lobotomizing him. Actual evidence has not so far been presented.

"mmjaa is insane" - ah, there we go, the standard response for anyone challenged by the thought that, perhaps, they're not living in as free a society as they think - especially when all it takes to get someone chemically lobotomized, is to challenge their sanity. Lets come back to this in a few months when there will be evidence of Assanges' torture by the UK on behalf of its masters in the USA, presented to the rel…

I am not saying you're insane. I'm saying you are jumping to conclusions without evidence, that is, that you are making stuff up. So I keep asking for evidence that supports your conclusions, and your response is "there might be evidence in a few months". That's... not very convincing.

Re: Assange in Court

#170

Post by mmjaa »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #169
mmjaa wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"mmjaa is insane" - ah, there we go, the standard response for anyone challenged by the thought that, perhaps, they're not living in as free a society as they think - especially when all it takes to get someone chemically lobotomized, is to challenge their sanity. Lets come back to this in a few months when there will be evidence of Assanges' torture by the UK on behalf of its masters in the USA, presented to the rel…

I am not saying you're insane. I'm saying you are jumping to conclusions without evidence, that is, that you are making stuff up. So I keep asking for evidence that supports your conclusions, and your response is "there might be evidence in a few months". That's... not very convincing.

It has been widely reported that Bellmarsh medicates its political prisoners. It has also been reported by everyone who sees him that Assange is medicated.
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