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Information operations directed at Hong Kong
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#162互联网不是法外之地！
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's not from the government, we call it marketing. :-)
This is incorrect. Marketing is not necessarily used to promote political change. There are plenty of examples of propaganda in for-proft and non-profit (yet non-state) media which is clearly propaganda and not marketing simultaneously.
Best example of Market-ganda ever, marketers protecting their own. 6 names for the same idea - manipulating others for self-gain.
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#164Good on Twitter and Facebook. On top of blocking thousands of websites (which includes Facebook, Google, Twitter) China's government employs thousands of government employees just to purge even the most mild criticism of the CCP on Weibo [1]. They also employ tens of thousands to export their propaganda overseas, using sock puppet accounts to push their worldview[2]. And their worldview is fiercely anti-democratic. T…
Soon there will be comments from those against facebook and twitter moderating such content because “we are loosing freedoms in the west”.
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#165I was living in HK for 30 years. What I want to say is that we all need to prepare for a new form of propaganda, which is partially based on partial fact but with twisted explanation. They are getting more logical, therefore more persuasive to middle-classes. If we do not have freedom or human rights in our minds, it will be very hard to deny those propaganda.
Historically the most effective propaganda has been based partially on fact. Outright fabrication doesn't work as well as taking an accepted fact and twisting what came before or what will come after.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I try to not take sides, but rather to simply evaluate evidence. As the evidence shifts in one direction or another, so do my views. To see why judging issues by the groups involved instead of evidence, one doesn't need to go back far. The Iraq war ended up costing hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, trillions of dollars, and helped accelerate a rapid destabilization of the entire Mideast setting the stage of th…
I respect your measured approach to evidence gathering, and growing up I resented G.W. Bush with his "You're with us or you're with the terrorists", but the more I see my peers sit on the sidelines waiting for truth to reveal itself the more I think you have to decide what you believe even with limited evidence.
The key is memory. In the moment, it isn't necessarily obvious that the Chinese Communist Party is misleading us any more than their opponents are. However, we have observed the Chinese Communist Party for decades, so we know that it is highly likely for them to lie, murder, intimidate, etc. That helps us evaluate what we're seeing at any particular time.
Eventually this sort of media analysis becomes a sort of clairvoyance. Intelligent news consumers responded to June's "Gulf of Oman" incident with questions about the "Gulf of Tonkin". Earlier, we had also questioned the official narrative about gas attacks in Syria. Now it's clear that was all bullshit too. [0] Unkillable zombie authoritarian organizations who have lied in specific ways for specific reasons before, will lie in those same ways for those same reasons again and again.
[0] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-04/eminent-american-s...
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#167I don't think HN is immune to these kinds of CCP ops.
The problem is that calling someone a paid, or unpaid shill on HN is unproductive. There's a world of difference (But little way for a third party to tell apart) between: A paid shill. An unpaid troll. Someone who genuinely believes what they are posting, because they do not have the same information you do. Someone who genuinely believes what they are posting, despite having the same information as you, because they…
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I try to not take sides, but rather to simply evaluate evidence. As the evidence shifts in one direction or another, so do my views. To see why judging issues by the groups involved instead of evidence, one doesn't need to go back far. The Iraq war ended up costing hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, trillions of dollars, and helped accelerate a rapid destabilization of the entire Mideast setting the stage of th…
This is a very one-sided view on the media and political environment leading up to the Iraq war, at least from my perspective in the UK. Much of the mainstream media were very much against the prospect of the war from the beginning. The claims of WMD were widely disbelieved or minimised by large parts of the media. It triggered one of the largest demonstrations/marches in recent years. It was one of, if not THE most…
Your news media might be more honest than ours.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems unreasonable to restrict the term propaganda to government since any organization can produce propaganda, i.e. "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view."
Also wrong to call only negative things propaganda
Good catch.
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#170I immediately thought to lookup Twitter's company about section. Under Values: > We believe in free expression and think every voice has the power to impact the world. Edit: I didn’t realize I appeared to be supporting the trolls. No, I meant it’s good to know Twitter would support the Hong Kong protestors.
authentic voice, not paid gov't troll armies.
Devil's advocate: what if the "troll army" is actually a whole army of people from that country who are brainwashed to believe the party line? Is that not "authentic" if they really believe it?