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Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by samstave »

umvi wrote: post #34

It would be better if cloudflare terminated service for all media outlets. Every time you turn a mass shooting into a national spectacle, it inspires copycats in rapid succession as we've just seen. Mass shootings (generally) don't kill that many people. They are scary, yes, but not that deadly (statistically). Keep it local news, don't publish the name of the killer, basically keep the story away from the front line…

I am completely against not publishing the name of the shooter.

I want to know who these shitbags are.

I want their entire family shamed.

Who was the shitty ass parents who raised the murderer? Who were his failed doctors or teachers of friens who failed to help prevent.

I want to know every god amn detail about this person..

Look at vegas. Look at the failed police/FBI/CIA/whatever investigation that has provided ZERO detailas about Paddock and how he carried out a killing of 58 people, shot over 500 people and we have ZERO details.

So fuck this idea that we shouldnt be revealing their names. We should be shaming the ENTIRE POPULATION in his orbit if they had any indication.

We also need a full toxicology report FUCKING ONLINE and compared to every single other person who has done this.

Are they all taking Zoloft for example?

Where is big pharma in here.

The aurora shooter looked like a freaking mental patient in court. Why was he allowed to dye his hair AFTER his arrest.

The idea that we need to be some sleepy apologetic society is bullshit.

This is some shady shit going on.

My personal opinion is that the pedo world is distracting from the epstein case with this. PLEASE FUCKING DOWNVOTE ME, because you have NO argument against what I have just said.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by BoiledCabbage »

umvi wrote: post #34

It would be better if cloudflare terminated service for all media outlets. Every time you turn a mass shooting into a national spectacle, it inspires copycats in rapid succession as we've just seen. Mass shootings (generally) don't kill that many people. They are scary, yes, but not that deadly (statistically). Keep it local news, don't publish the name of the killer, basically keep the story away from the front line…

> Mass shootings (generally) don't kill that many people. They are scary, yes, but not that deadly (statistically). Keep it local news, don't

The problem is there is a simmering domestic nationalistic terrorism threat to the country - and that is news.

The killer in TX directly referenced it, as did very many of the prior mass-murders of recent. That is noteworthy, and fundamentally different from people killed in a gas station robbery.

This rising domestic terrorism is fed and incited by nationalistic groups who have explicitly stated this as their plans and goals.

Yes the media could adjust how they report it, but that's not the root problem here. It's an intentionally fostered growing domestic nationalist terrorism.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by mopsi »

That pseudointellectual appeal to "rule of law" was painful to read. If a website really engages in illegal activities, then the FBI gets a court order, raids its servers and that's the end of it.

What really happened: Cloudfare came under PR fire from the Washington Post, made a quick cost/benefit analysis and dropped 8Chan.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by Spivak »

shapiro92 wrote: post #93

Very unpopular opinion. The internet should be free for everyone and no provider should have the ability to cut off services. The problem is not the platform but the people, hate the player not the game.

You should be legally required to do business with any customer?

At some level does a person not have the right to say, "I don't like you and won't take your money?"

Sure, the US and others have protected classes that limit the reasons you can refuse to do business with someone but those are more to do with people in those classes being unfairly burdened and facing difficulty living tier day-to-day lives.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

umvi wrote: post #34

It would be better if cloudflare terminated service for all media outlets. Every time you turn a mass shooting into a national spectacle, it inspires copycats in rapid succession as we've just seen. Mass shootings (generally) don't kill that many people. They are scary, yes, but not that deadly (statistically). Keep it local news, don't publish the name of the killer, basically keep the story away from the front line…

While this may be a contributing factor, it seems obvious that a major problem with these mass shootings is that

The USA Government is doing nothing to even attempt to prevent the next one.

Correct me if I’m wrong, would definitely like to change that opinion.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by procgen »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #95
manigandham wrote: post #74

This decision is yet another distraction. It's attempting to treat an ephemeral symptom in a rapidly evolving landscape of digital identity and communications. Things are only getting faster, easier, more connected, more distributed, and more encrypted. There is no going back. Until we collectively acknowledge that it's real humans behind these actions and create modern ways to identify and prevent them, a DDoS/CDN c…

>Until we collectively acknowledge that it's real humans behind these actions and create modern ways to identify and prevent them Surely this has no downsides at all. For example, you can rest easy because YOUR ideas and YOUR opinions will never stray off the “approved” line. ... how is it people in tech can’t see past their own noses on things like this?

>YOUR ideas and YOUR opinions will never stray off the “approved” line

Perhaps they will, but there should still be a line. There will continue to be political mechanisms in place to shift it.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by cambalache »

quietthrow wrote: post #122

How come Twitter is not is trouble for enabling (or being A loudspeaker for) people that riles up other people, fuels their fire and so on. Trying to understand this from a ethics and philosophical perspective. Appreciate your comments.

You know the answer, for the same reason Facebook wont be accountable or if you want to get political , the strident members of both parties, or some of the lunatics of the press. Yes, some people shit on them, but I dont see a deplatforming along the corner for the truly powerful.

I understand why Cloudflare wants to get rid of this hot potato right now, but it comes across as opportunistic and hypocritical.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by kennywinker »

umvi wrote: post #34

It would be better if cloudflare terminated service for all media outlets. Every time you turn a mass shooting into a national spectacle, it inspires copycats in rapid succession as we've just seen. Mass shootings (generally) don't kill that many people. They are scary, yes, but not that deadly (statistically). Keep it local news, don't publish the name of the killer, basically keep the story away from the front line…

Every other country in the western world reports mass shootings in roughly the same way - yet shooting happen at a much lower rate per capita.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by 55555 »

NikkiA wrote: post #141
futureastronaut wrote: post #16

> we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design What does "lawless by design" mean?

8chan claims not to be able to ban content because of the way they are set up, as such they have no real control even over people running pedo boards. That is pretty obviously 'lawless by design'.

> 8chan claims not to be able to ban content because of the way they are set up

How is this implemented?

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