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Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

quixoticelixer- wrote: post #150
carapace wrote: post #58

Also we should stop cutting down the existing forests. Brazil and Canada have both been in the news recently for clear cutting their rainforests (yes, CA has inland rainforest!)

Canada almost always replaces their forests. Brazil is different they are being cleared for agriculture but it is hard to tell them they can't clear forest to become rich when most of the rich world did that before them.

Canada replaces 500 year old rainforests with saprolings. We do a decend job rotating tree farms, but there isn't any way get back our ancient trees (besides waiting a few hundred years).

Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Post by microcolonel »

aresant wrote: post #36
jerkstate wrote: post #7

I did a rough spreadsheet some time back based on this 1998 EPA carbon sequestration worksheet [1] and found that an average person from a high carbon output country needs about 600-1000 trees to offset their carbon output. There are about 3 trillion trees for a population of 7 billion people for an average of 428 trees per person, so that means you have to make up the delta of about 172 to 572 trees over the course…

No easy way to plot this - planting trees to sequester CO2 may or may not have a net positive impact at scale for a variety of reasons: 1) The timescale is very long - a single tree to drive carbon neutrality is MOST optimistically pegged at 40 - 100 years depending on species. With expanding populations planning or guaranteeing execution on that time scale is limited. AKA it's very unlikely that most efforts, unless…

> But warming temperatures creates a negative feedback loop increases the rate of C02 release from soil.

Elevated shade decreases local soil temperature.

Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Post by microcolonel »

ijpoijpoihpiuoh wrote: post #105
wang_li wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at his further posts, his positions are fabricated worst case scenario. For example he suggests that there is no point in planting trees because you're going to drive there in your SUV and then come home and run your AC. This might be true for some people, but it's not for me as my house doesn't have AC and I don't own an SUV. I car pool or drive a prius to plant trees. Also we're not planting trees in pl…

Where do you go to plant trees such that you can be certain the trees won't just be cut down in a few years, and also don't simply displace other trees that would otherwise grow? Also, do you keep track of the trees to make sure they actually grow? Just planting the seed or even a sapling is far from sufficient to ensure that carbon sequestration occurs. Young trees are food for a variety of animals and insects. Do y…

> Where do you go to plant trees such that you can be certain the trees won't just be cut down in a few years

Your own property, literally anywhere trees can survive.

Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Post by Alex3917 »

jerkstate wrote: post #7

I did a rough spreadsheet some time back based on this 1998 EPA carbon sequestration worksheet [1] and found that an average person from a high carbon output country needs about 600-1000 trees to offset their carbon output. There are about 3 trillion trees for a population of 7 billion people for an average of 428 trees per person, so that means you have to make up the delta of about 172 to 572 trees over the course…

> an average person from a high carbon output country needs about 600-1000 trees to offset their carbon output.

Squirrels bury between 3,000 and 10,000 nuts each fall, so each person just needs to drive over one squirrel.

Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Post by quixoticelixer- »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #161
quixoticelixer- wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada almost always replaces their forests. Brazil is different they are being cleared for agriculture but it is hard to tell them they can't clear forest to become rich when most of the rich world did that before them.

Canada replaces 500 year old rainforests with saprolings. We do a decend job rotating tree farms, but there isn't any way get back our ancient trees (besides waiting a few hundred years).

Saplings are better at sequestering carbon than old trees are.

Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Post by tareqak »

N.B. Crazy idea follows:

I wonder if there would be a away for the government to allow people to purchase land at a reduced cost and tax-free (sales and property taxes) for the sole purpose of planting trees. Land purchased this way would be legally protected against the government's power of eminent domain/expropriation [0]. Sale of the said land would be restricted in the same way. If someone did want to develop the land, they would be allowed to do so only if they paid the difference that would have been accumulated over the years in taxes compounded with interest. The whole thing would sort of be like a U.S. 401k or Canadian RRSP, but for the environment.

It would sort of like what this Brazilian politician asked for here except the ownership of the land would be transferred, so it wouldn't be a sort of one-sided, long-term extortion [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain

[1] https://www.npr.org/2015/11/10/455432704/rich-nations-should...

Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Post by anthony_doan »

IgorPartola wrote: post #139
jerkstate wrote: post #7

I did a rough spreadsheet some time back based on this 1998 EPA carbon sequestration worksheet [1] and found that an average person from a high carbon output country needs about 600-1000 trees to offset their carbon output. There are about 3 trillion trees for a population of 7 billion people for an average of 428 trees per person, so that means you have to make up the delta of about 172 to 572 trees over the course…

My understanding was that trees are not the best way to go about this. Seaweed is best, followed by grass, then trees. To be fair, planting seaweed isn’t as satisfying.

Grass is so terrible.

You need to maintain it and it requires so much chemicals especially from Monsanto. It's so much work and money just to maintain grass.

I like alternatives like moss or clovers. Even cactus gardens seem better suited.

Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Post by irrational »

microcolonel wrote: post #163
ijpoijpoihpiuoh wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you go to plant trees such that you can be certain the trees won't just be cut down in a few years, and also don't simply displace other trees that would otherwise grow? Also, do you keep track of the trees to make sure they actually grow? Just planting the seed or even a sapling is far from sufficient to ensure that carbon sequestration occurs. Young trees are food for a variety of animals and insects. Do y…

> Where do you go to plant trees such that you can be certain the trees won't just be cut down in a few years Your own property, literally anywhere trees can survive.

So... no where? Where I live you either live in an apartment or in a house that is 5 feet away from neighboring houses in all directions. What percentage of the population is rich enough to own empty land that they can plants trees on?

Re: Tree planting: Where can I do it and which type is best?

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Post by pvaldes »

ptah wrote: post #29
crispsquirrel wrote: post #8

I really want to start planting trees because this planet needs more trees, it's not a joke or some hippy movement, the consequences are real. I just feel like doing so in the UK is a bureaucratic nightmare. Plus buying trees to plant isn't cheap. I might just start saving up for land and planting trees there if I can.

a lot of plants can be propagated from twigs, you don't need to buy more

Seeds are better. More genetic biodiversity.
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