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Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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post #146

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The first draft they send highlighted grammar errors with a red pencil. After that I'm sure it's just stacking up somewhere. It's a waste for sure, but changing the system is a long process.

What I've learned is to always include a few token spelling and grammar errors in the first draft of anything so reviewers feel like they have done their job. /s

This is actually a good idea. No /s needed.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first draft they send highlighted grammar errors with a red pencil. After that I'm sure it's just stacking up somewhere. It's a waste for sure, but changing the system is a long process.

What I've learned is to always include a few token spelling and grammar errors in the first draft of anything so reviewers feel like they have done their job. /s

This but unironically

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

Not directing this at you, but to all - this is a concrete example of why you shouldn’t blindly trust legal (or medical, or spiritual) advice. Ask questions, make sure you understand, and think critically. No one is infallible.

There is no such thing as “trusting” spiritual advice. By definition, there is no scientific way of confirming whether the advice is good.

But the legal system is so complex, how are you as a laymen suppose to verify it if you are basically the test case for trying something new?

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

Yeah, I also wouldn't want my kids to grow up in a world where someone could exchange knowledge for money without a license, but this is ridiculous.

I do mean this completely naively, as I was not even aware that "exchanging knowledge for money" required a license before this, but why do you feel this way?

I'm so shocked that this isn't simply about certification (aka, you can't give out some sort of officially accepted slip of paper without a license, which I would at least be able to come up with arguments for), that I am really curious as to how this is an issue.

In particular:

1. It seems you can exchange knowledge for money as long as you don't have a physical presence in the state. Do you think this is an unfortunate loophole that in an ideal world would be "fixed"? If I create a new framework or technology and live in Bolivia, do you believe that ideally before I can offer a course on it online that accepts payments I should first be licensed in the state of the person taking the course? Should random people who happen to live in the state have a leg up on me teaching the technology I invented simply since they live there already and it is probably easier/in-their-means to get registered?

2. It doesn't seem to have anything in particular to do with "bad knowledge", as there are plenty of people willing to teach bad things for free (you can define bad however you want here). And separately, as far as I can tell, no one is really checking the courses are good or anything. Using the example above, would California have the capability to know that my React course is up to snuff?

So what is the registration for? Why is the sale of knowledge different than the sale of t-shirts?

1. Is the only goal to have these places on file for easier class-action lawsuits later? That might make sense?

2. Is it because tuition is particularly expensive, so it is known to attract more scams? So, merely a consequential result and not anything inherent to knowledge itself.

3. Is it because this sort of "institution" qualifies for government assisted funding/scholarships? In that case I could certainly understand it.

Any of those reasons could make sense, but none lead me to the feeling that the sale of knowledge, of all things, should of course necessarily be licensed/registered outside any other variables.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Can you go after your old counsel using your new counsel for damages?

I don’t know. If we could it wouldn’t be a good use of time or money.

In the past, I've asked for a 100% refund of fees before filing a complaint with the association and have received back 50%. You may want to go that route.

Literally just one fax. They want to avoid any complaints on their record, especially valid ones.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Can someone tell me what a Lambda school is? From the comments here it appears its a specific class of school. From their site it just looks like a regular online learning company.

> From the comments here it appears its a specific class of school. From their site it just looks like a regular online learning company. It is not a class of school, it is indeed a company. A scam/cult masquerading as a startup. It's hyped, it's batshit insane. A thread from yesterday https://twitter.com/KeziyahL/status/1155154616281178114 but of course there is more. To me, it was obvious there is something wrong b…

I am very open to the idea that Lambda school sucks, or is overhyped. Many SV things are.

However, literally nothing in that linked twitter thread, or the one it in turn links to, do a single thing to demonstrate that at all. The people who posted both have no first hand experience at all and there's no data or details or facts to support their arguments. It’s just someone reading the website and posting reaction gifs.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Looking at student loan debt it appears that it was unsuccessful

Right but it'd be worse if you had the student loan debt AND don't get a degree (or at least a reputable one) because it's a scam.

I mean, is a university education not a sort of scam? They are giving people degrees that cost far too much to justify the kind of job you'll get coming out.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Nah, blame the regulators too for thinking that filling out paperwork is likely to meaningfully dissuade someone from using human remains to make dog food. It was probably sufficient to explain to that one guy why that was bad.

>It was probably sufficient to explain to that one guy why that was bad. Greed doesn't listen to reason.

....nor regulators.

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

Lambda School is preparing to enter India as well right?

How is it regulated there? better or worse?

Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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When the government makes you waste a a day filling out paperwork to prove that your dog food doesn’t contain human remains, don’t blame the regulators. Blame the guy before you who made a buck by vertically integrating his cannery and his morgue.

I used to work in compliance and the number of regulations that are punitive punishments for bad things that actually happened is just astounding. SOX compliance is arduous but it only exists (and is as strict as it is) because some banks decided to destroy the global economy just to make a bit of money and couldn't understand why this was a bad thing.

> for bad things that actually happened is just astounding.

you are not kidding.

"You mean we have to monitor for this because someone ACTUALLY tried doing that before...?"

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