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Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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What's HN's thoughts on IoT? To me it looks like yet another buzzword from the "wouldn't it be neat?" crowd (the same people who previously gave us a lot of hype about Semantic Web and P2P social networks) but as before none of the applications are actually worth the hassle, this prevents critical mass from ever being reached, and in reality it's mostly just a way for appliance companies who are already overcharging…

It's a great idea, but companies are building products that no one wants. Here's a few ideas of products / services / suites of items I would actually buy for my home: - Machine to completely do my dishes. End to end. It puts them from the sink to the dishwasher. Runs the dishwasher. Takes them out of the dishwasher and puts them in the cabinet. I do not care if this takes 5 hours - it can run overnight. I just don't…

ITT: Things that aren't IoT

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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It is encrypted on the device. How are you going to get access to it?

My confusion is that I think there has to be a command that is encryptThisDataToBeSent(data). Can't you just look at data? Before it is encrypted? Or is data encrypted at all times? But if that's true, then the difference of sending encrypted data is kinda moot.

The threat comes from closed-source devices.

If these closed-source devices send un-encrypted data, you can MiTM these devices when they're on your network. But if they're encrypted, you're SOL.

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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What's HN's thoughts on IoT? To me it looks like yet another buzzword from the "wouldn't it be neat?" crowd (the same people who previously gave us a lot of hype about Semantic Web and P2P social networks) but as before none of the applications are actually worth the hassle, this prevents critical mass from ever being reached, and in reality it's mostly just a way for appliance companies who are already overcharging…

IoT is a great success - in industry. At home, from what I can tell, it mostly divides into: - People who apparently live in warzones and need military-level surveillance of their home - People who want to feel like they're living in the Star Trek universe - People with very specific needs, who might take advantage of a commercial IoT device or two in their overall setup

> - People who want to feel like they're living in the Star Trek universe

I mean, do you not want to feel like that?

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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IoT is a great success - in industry. At home, from what I can tell, it mostly divides into: - People who apparently live in warzones and need military-level surveillance of their home - People who want to feel like they're living in the Star Trek universe - People with very specific needs, who might take advantage of a commercial IoT device or two in their overall setup

> - People who want to feel like they're living in the Star Trek universe I mean, do you not want to feel like that?

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Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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Kind of an aside, but I hope such a virtual dog sitter never comes to fruition for the sake of your dog. Dogs shouldn’t be alone for that long!

The dogs not alone. It has the robot. The robot could let you peer in remotely and say hi. The robot could comfort your dog for you while you’re away. The robot is there for your dog while you can’t be. The robot could 3D print dog friendly toys for it and feed it too.

You clearly know dogs well.

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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The dogs not alone. It has the robot. The robot could let you peer in remotely and say hi. The robot could comfort your dog for you while you’re away. The robot is there for your dog while you can’t be. The robot could 3D print dog friendly toys for it and feed it too.

so it's the robot's dog then?

The robot owns the dog, the human owns the robot, and the human's job owns the human. Just like nature intended.

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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It seems to handle a use case I was looking for. I have a cheap xiaomi aqara hub that is homekit compatible, and I want to exports its data. Sadly usually the use case is to connect a non homekit iot to a homekit server from an apple device with homebridge. Here their HomeKit adapter use a lib called hap-controller-node that seems to be a homekit server. I will have to try this. https://github.com/mozilla-iot/homekit…

What do you mean by export its data?

Get the temperature, humidity, pressure, open/close state of the sensors, live.

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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HTTP for IOT is super heavy, on one side it may be simpler for developer to hop in, but performance wise this shouldn't be used for anything large scale or where power/bandwidth constrains are an issue. Something like ble/lora/zigbee for device-gateway comunication and mqtt or similar for gateway-collector is the best for me.

the problem with ble/lora/zigbee is they all require extra hardware (radio)

But with lora you can achieve, 5 km range while running on coin size battery. Same with zwave, ble but those have lower ranges (new ble supports meshing). with Wi-Fi based devices you need also extra hardware (access points), and you need power supply for every device (or in another words you can't have "wireless" devices)

Re: Mozilla debuts implementation of WebThings Gateway open-source router firmware

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This the closest we have so far to an answer to the point raised in the IETF 105 Technical Plenary a few days ago. Encrypting everything means that IoT devices represent an unknown threat - your "smart" TV connects to Sourceforge and downloads... something every week. What for? Your "smart" thermostat calls the IP of the vendor, maybe to get firmware updates, but it also calls the Disney corporation - what for? You c…

I was fascinated by your X-ray example. Here's a link for others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-fitting_fluoroscope

Goddammit. The comments are why I browse HN on a daily basis, but sometimes you folks are worse than Wikipedia. I know I shouldn't click that link.

/me grumpily clicks link

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