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Re: Google Calendar Is Down

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> What is going on there? Nothing but anecdote, but a lot of my friends at Facebook and Google are eyeing the exits. They’ve made good money and can afford to go somewhere better aligned with their values. They’re also each remarkably talented. These outages may be a reflection of that exodus. (Counterfactual: we started our careers at the same time and are nearing a natural switching point simultaneously.)

How do you think it relates to the failures exactly? Employee quality is down? The servers had someone manually monitoring them and they quit so now the servers are quietly on fire? What's the theory? Hint: companies at Google's scale do not have a single point of failure where employees slowly trickling in or out can impact their infrastructure in this way. You would see many more failures in this case. The tenure f…

I think this is a dangerous assumption to make.

I've worked at big companies and small ones. Every place has a small pool of extraordinary technical talent (the 10x or 100x engineers or whatever). It isn't just that these people are geniuses (although some of them def are), its how much context they have around the systems that are critical to the functioning of the Company. They have that context + dedication to have learned about different failure scenarios. They probably have built the automation systems that deploy the services.

When such people leave, its not the end of the company, someone else (either a person or a group) usually are interested and step up to knowledge transfer before the person leaves and then learn the system.

However, if a critical mass of people leave at or around the same time, crucial knowledge that is necessary for the systems to operate correctly is lost. This may not surface immediately, but when something goes wrong, you will notice it.

I'm not saying this is what happened to Google, IDK. But its very much a possiblity, even at the largest companies. Especially the ones that have somewhat centralized systems, so outages tend to affect a whole bunch of seemingly unrelated services.

Re: Google Calendar Is Down

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has Google made any public statements about whether or not calendar data is used for ad targeting? Gmail was used for ad targeting until mid-2017[1] but I haven't seen anything about calendar. [1] https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in...

Afaik, it was never used for ad targeting so there was no announcement to make. Just think about it for minute. What percentage of people actively use Google Calendar? Out of those what percentage put useful information in there? How much commercial value does this information have?

Your arguments assume best of intentions and a lot of present and past knowledge of the calendar team.

I want to believe you, I like the story you are telling. Unfortunately you like it too and are not being objective.

Re: Google Calendar Is Down

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I moved off to Radicale years ago: https://radicale.org/ I use it with Thunderbird, and DavDroid (now DavX) to handle all my events and contacts (SMS contacts even show up correctly in Hangouts on Android phones) I realize GCal is rarely ever down, but they do harvest all your data to sell you shit. Here's a basic Dockerfile for Radicale if you want to try it out: https://github.com/sumdog/bee2/tree/master/dockerfile…

I work at google. I am pretty sure google calendar data is not used for ads targeting. The same is true for gmail.

That's exactly what makes me nervous. Even someone working at Google isn't entirely sure what user data is or isn't sent to other parts of the company for other uses.

Plenty of other tech companies have lied, changed their policies, or just plain screwed up. Privacy and security are hard, and everybody has their hands out. As a consumer, there's no way for me to verify anything.

As Woz said (sort of), "Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window." When I make a backup to an external FW disk on my desk, or sync my phone with my computer over a USB cable, I know exactly what data is going where. The whole point of The Cloud being a cloud is that we don't know what's happening in it. It's inherent to the architecture. "Trust but verify" minus the "verify".

Re: Google Calendar Is Down

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This is the 2nd time a Google product has been down in the last month. What is going on there? Previous one was only 15 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20077421

Ikr, Instagram recently went down too, what's going on with FANG recently? Back a few years ago things like this would be unheard of

Re: Google Calendar Is Down

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Writing your own little personal-use web apps can be really nice - not sure how common this is, but I highly recommend it. I did it for tasks, time tracking, invoicing, and personal finances, partly because Google and others kept "upgrading" and screwing up the UI & performance of the tools I was relying on. Each took about a day to write, and is customized exactly the way I like it; if I need a shortcut key, a weird…

My calendar app looks like this (granted I have a continuous write patch for nano but that's it): alias note="nano ~/notes.txt"

Re: Google Calendar Is Down

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Why no server backup best practices? There should be 2ndary and tertiary servers ready instantly.

2 explanations I can think of: - This is a backend failure, where all those servers that put together your calendar data and serve it to you as a webpage all use the same database/backend, which is having some sort of error. - The code that runs on those servers has a bug. They are all at or near the same version, so they all fail. Manual intervention needed to diagnose and fix the bug.

Re: Google Calendar Is Down

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This is the 2nd time a Google product has been down in the last month. What is going on there? Previous one was only 15 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20077421

Ikr, Instagram recently went down too, what's going on with FANG recently? Back a few years ago things like this would be unheard of

In what year exactly did none of Facebook, Apple, Netflix, and Google have a service outage like this?
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