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Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

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post #146

What are they doing with all this data tracking because it sure isn't giving me relevant ads. In addition to the often noted situation where you buy something online and then get ads for that thing you already bought, I routinely see totally irrelevant ads and recommendations. I've been on Facebook since around 2003. I've had an Amazon account for even longer. Their ads and recommendations for me are terrible. Two re…

Facebook makes the data available to advertisers who are then responsible for targeting you well based on that data. If the advertiser makes terrible targeting decisions but offers a high bid for a click, then despite your low CTR and low conversion rate, you'll see the ad. Facebook is not choosing which ads you see. (The recommendations, sure.)

I think the technical term for these ads that stalk you after you have bought the product is 'remarketing'.

Amazon should know what they are doing but they do the ads of what you have just bought, even though they have good information. No idea what their excuse is for fluffing it.

However, with small companies, e.g. a clothes shop, they don't do the website necessarily themselves, getting an agency to do it. When they get to a certain size they bring this work on house, but the principles of cock up are the same, in the agency or in house.

The agency doing the website have extra add on services for SEO, remarketing and other marketing snake oil. The people in these jobs are not the sort that can do database joins. They use products that have been marketed at them and generally work on second hand hearsay to determine what works, even though they do use graphs and data.

They are not necessarily going to know the products and even though they buy adverts they do not see themselves as in the advertising game, more in the marketing field.

The internet has raised everyone's boats over the last few years so these people can have some legit upward pointing graphs, what is less clear is whether it is demand, price or product that has got their clients online sales up. However, they can claim it is all their work and that the campaigns they have put on have changed something assumed to be static.

On this snake oil they can attract new clients to bring them marketing spend. They try their hardest but they are not data power users. I know that is tarring a whole industry with the same brush, but the people in this industry will be 'power Excel users' rather think to become 'novice SQL users'.

To be honest logging in to some of these Facebook account screens is quite hard work, going through the right channels to get the login details from the client can take all day. Uploading data probably needs help from a developer on a different team, plus you have to go home at 5.30 on the dot.

People that are good at selling product believe in customer service, word of mouth, product and a multitude of things that are a million miles away from remarketing. So the industry of online ad sales invariably has hit and miss results because the people in the business are unlikely to be that smart.

Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

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post #29

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There's nothing to whistleblow. Advertising is applied sociology. As such, advertisers want to aggregate large data sets into large segments that are easy to manipulate statistically. (Where the central limit theorem starts working.) There is no demand for personal data or de-anonymization because that stuff doesn't sell. The personal data collection is done by Google, Facebook at al not for advertising purposes. The…

> There is no demand for personal data or de-anonymization because that stuff doesn't sell. Say what?? I’ve also worked in the ad industry and deanonymized personal data is shared and sold routinely . You speak of statistics and large segments but every advertiser I’ve interacted with is either doing individual-level targeting or striving towards it.

> every advertiser I’ve interacted with is either doing individual-level targeting or striving towards it.

Only if they're clueless.

For example: Nike really wants a dataset of "people who buy expensive sneakers for fashion purposes".

This dataset is probably hundreds of millions of anonymous people, and not personal data. If there was a way to get this dataset directly, Nike would do that in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately, as of 2019 the only way to get something like this today is by, e.g., crossreferencing credit card purchase info with Twitter browsing logs, which leaks a shitload of sensitive private data.

For ad purposes personal data collection is a bug, not a feature.

Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing to whistleblow. Advertising is applied sociology. As such, advertisers want to aggregate large data sets into large segments that are easy to manipulate statistically. (Where the central limit theorem starts working.) There is no demand for personal data or de-anonymization because that stuff doesn't sell. The personal data collection is done by Google, Facebook at al not for advertising purposes. The…

My question to someone from the ad-industry would be if there are known "intersections" between these anonymised data sets ad-tech is using to sell as much as possible, and companies who buy these data-sets to connect them to real identities. Especially because the web is full of Privacy notices people agree to, and I guess in some of those people actually agree to have their anonymous browsing data connected to thei…

"Known"? Probably not.

Like I said, knowing real identities is the last thing on the list of ad tech priorities.

If shadowy entities are collecting "real identities" then it's not for ad purposes.

Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

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I'm going to keep getting downvoted here, but it seems like people collect a bulleted list of spooky and bad things a government has done, and imply a meaningful connection via the act of simply listing the events together. So, in our same list we have: - A Cuban false flag operation with military intent. - A CIA Mind Control experiment which is implied to be widespread, but documents don't actually support this. Tor…

The idea is that all these things are related in their goal in to trying to control people either by using force or coercion. They were all done using the Mechanism of US gov. They also weren't prosecuted for their crimes.

The Tuskeegee experiment wasn't about control, it was about studying syphilis. It was as terrible was it was racist, but it had nothing to do with government control.

A false flag operation is only about control in the loosest sense. You can't successfully false flag your way into a military conflict with an allied country: it's only useful when tensions are high enough that there is already popular support for a military operation, but an excuse is needed. In that sense, other "excuses" for military conflicts work the same way. The spurious claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was popular only because of 9/11 and sentiment about the middle east at the time. (a similar argument, for example, could not have been made about other countries with WMDs, such as France, Israel, and South Africa) I'm not suggesting any of these actions are acceptable, simply that the salient point here must be deception, not control. Broadly speaking, any government-driven policy or program in some vague sense of the word requires control. There must be enough popular support for any initiative such that it can be successful. Anti-smoking campaigns require coercion as well, and sometimes even deception. Smoking used to be wildly popular, but the government, as well as some powerful groups, were able to use emotional appeals and scare tactics to vastly change the public perception of smoking. Should we lump this effort in with MKULTRA?

I'm not sure that "human-animal hybrids" are real in any non-pedantic way. Even so, not sure what the control aspect is meant to be here.

MKULTRA, however, clearly was about control. The correct conclusion about MKULTRA, however, should be that the CIA needed more oversight, since they were apparently willing to torture people and perform highly unethical experiments to learn how effectively an individual could be controlled. Often glossed over is the fact these these experiments largely didn't work at all at all. No progress on "mass-control" was ever made, and instead, all we're left with is government abuse and torture in pursuit of something that probably isn't possible.

Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

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Hedge funds and intelligence agencies are fingerprinting all groups within our society by monitoring the responses of various target audiences to engineered stimuli. This comes in the form of observing the response to selective dissemination of content with a known effect on observers (you). A few years ago we heard about some outrage nobody did anything about when it became clear Facebook was manipulating reader emo…

> strong healthy black man rescues white woman from a bumbling and pathetic white male.

just why? every damn thread on this site these days has some racist bs.Youre projecting real hard.

Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

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post #105

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I absolutely love this. Have y'all been collecting your advice? I'd love to learn what has and hasn't worked so far for your projects.

I've been trying to do a monthly report on the RH blog, but I'm behind by a couple months. I've actually been thinking more about how to get more info about this. If you have any specific questions, I can try and answer them for you or bring them back to the others.

I'm building a reading game and I want to run simple ethical ads for fantasy novels and live play RPG podcasts and the ilk on the homepage of my app at a later point. I'm at the point in building where I'm initially building my audience and need to advertise that my game exists to the world.

Where else can I buy an ethical ad to find my potential players? My best idea so far has been to purchase an advertisement on some of those podcasts I mentioned, since they are just reading a sentence or three during their normal recording so there is no additional tracking really going on that I'm aware of.

You four would be a great option for reaching other developers. Imagine if you could search for ethical advertisers by category with links to reach out. Does this exist already?

Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

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At some point companies like Fast Company have to accept that they are a significant part of the problem, and just writing articles about it is not enough. This page contains a ridiculous number of trackers. The site pulls in content from the following 3rd-party domains:

s.skimresources.com, sb.scorecardresearch.com, secure-cdn.mplxtms.com, z.moatads.com, ml314.com, secure-us.imrworldwide.com, www.googletagservices.com, www.google-analytics.com, www.dianomi.com, d1z2jf7jlzjs58.cloudfront.net, static.chartbeat.com, assets.adobetm.com, platform.twitter.com, www.queryly.com, cdn.polyfill.io, www.lightboxcdn.com, content.jwplatform.com, platform.instagram.com, www.inc.com, images.fastcompany.net, connect.facebook.com, cdn.conversant.mgr.consensu.org, cdnjs.cloudflare.com.

images.fastcompany.net is probably just used to serve static content from a cookieless domain and some of the others are CDNs for libraries, but the rest are all there for tracking purposes.

If you don't like what the ad industry is doing with people's personal data, please don't keep giving them ways to get to it.

Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

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Another very frustrating article about advertising. I don't doubt any of his conclusions, or his moral claims. But, I do want more details. What are the various tracking and correlation mechanisms, what do they look like practically? Does anyone actually really use canvas the way we all fear, or are smartphone apps and Android itself doing all the heavy lifting? Would a user's privacy settings in their phones mitigat…

> Does anyone actually really use canvas the way we all fear

I think I missed something, what do you mean by this? Are there some data leaking privacy concerns with HTML canvas elements?

Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

#169

What are they doing with all this data tracking because it sure isn't giving me relevant ads. In addition to the often noted situation where you buy something online and then get ads for that thing you already bought, I routinely see totally irrelevant ads and recommendations. I've been on Facebook since around 2003. I've had an Amazon account for even longer. Their ads and recommendations for me are terrible. Two re…

Just curious, did you go to Harvard with Zuck? That's the only way you could have been on Facebook that long, as he only created the earliest version in fall 2003.

Re: I left the ad industry because of data tracking

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post #144

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So just the good old ad hominem then? I simply pointed out a fact: there is a significant discrepancy between the rate of black male + white female couplings IRL and in the media. I am bringing no judgement on it. Considering how frothy at the mouth you got over this fact being mentioned, you are no better than those 'racist cretins' you try to insinuate I am part of. Do you actually have any valid arguments to dispu…

To be frank, I don't think you've actually conducted an empirical comparison of "black male + white female couplings IRL and in the media", nor do I think such a discrepancy would be worthy of comment even if it exists, and perhaps most importantly, I do not believe in the innocent motives of anyone who brings up the subject and then acts like they are only attempting to make an innocuous anthropological observation.…

In defense of the guy that brought it up: race-mixing is a huge scissor statement. It's already working here - you're getting your socks in a tizzy over a mention of it and can't get past the object-level. The meta-level is it doesn't matter what concept they use - race, gender, sex, identity - posters can and will use it to make you fight people you would otherwise get along with.
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