Good for them on starting to incorporate more realities into the all-too-often unrealistic confines of standardized testing.
SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships
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#162Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.
I might be missing the point, but from a quick glance at the article, it's about geographic location, and not race. Is there some second-order effect?
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s tales of Bay Area families renting and moving their HS juniors and seniors to the Central Valley where UC accepts a higher percentage from.
I was talking to someone who's been involved in elite university admissions, and gaming for the city/neighborhood/HS has been a known tactic for a while. There's a related tactic for people in affluent suburbs, for getting their child into urban school districts with an especially well-regarded primary public school: buy a house or condo in the city, and try to make it look on your application like that's your primar…
At that point why not just send your kids to a private school?
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#164Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.
I might be missing the point, but from a quick glance at the article, it's about geographic location, and not race. Is there some second-order effect?
Race and geography covary more strongly than ~all other pairs of parameters, such that the one is a reliable proxy for the other.
Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships
#165Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.
>I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.
Maybe not, it feels like to me that the Overton window[0] has been sliding left. My views on freedom of speech made me a 'leftist commie' when I used them to defend South Park and Eminem now most often I'm accused being 'alt-right' by those who disagree with those same views.
Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was talking to someone who's been involved in elite university admissions, and gaming for the city/neighborhood/HS has been a known tactic for a while. There's a related tactic for people in affluent suburbs, for getting their child into urban school districts with an especially well-regarded primary public school: buy a house or condo in the city, and try to make it look on your application like that's your primar…
At that point why not just send your kids to a private school?
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Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships
#167Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.
Can you make an argument why this would be considered about “outcome” for the purpose of conversation?
They are imperfect phrases, but generally an equality of opportunity in this case refers to no matter what you look like, what your parents do, how much money you have, if you get a SAT score and GPA above a threshold, you get accepted into the school.
Whereas equality of outcome would focus more on who gets in even if it means treating people differently based on what they look look, how much money they have, where they live, etc.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was talking to someone who's been involved in elite university admissions, and gaming for the city/neighborhood/HS has been a known tactic for a while. There's a related tactic for people in affluent suburbs, for getting their child into urban school districts with an especially well-regarded primary public school: buy a house or condo in the city, and try to make it look on your application like that's your primar…
At that point why not just send your kids to a private school?
Many do, but some public schools are very well-regarded by parents, such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Latin_School
Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships
#169Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.
Is it even secretly anymore? It just seems outright discrimination, at this point, as far as admissions is concerned.
This score is apparently a secret.
> The score would not be reported to the student, only to college officials.
They give you a standardized test, but you can't even find out how well you did.
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#170This seems likely to end up being ugly. For example wealthy people could buy or rent addresses in "adverse" neighborhoods, or charter schools might locate offices there, in order to attempt to improve scores on this metric. At the same time this won't be able to identify many adverse life circumstances like abusive parents, cancer, etc. What it does do is outsource components of admissions decisions the colleges may…
I already talked to my wife about this. I would retire, we would divorce, and I would rent a shitty apartment in East Palo Alto all the while
living in our house.
If they think they can boil my kids into a single number without bothering to find the context of who my kids are then I will game it to as much as possible.
I don’t know why my family should be punished because my wife and I worked our asses off to get ahead. It’s an insult to hard working people across the spectrum.