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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by tibbydudeza »

winrid wrote: post #150
razster wrote: post #65

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Owned a 2001 Jetta. The number of parts I had to replace became more than the cars worth. I will never own a VW anything because of the terrible reliability.

Heh, yeah people complain about that generation of cars from VAG quite a bit. I had a MK4 Golf with the 1.8T that I raced every month for a few years and also drove to work. It broke a couple times, but wasn't unreliable. I think this was partly because I did preventative maintenance. I think - the motors were fine for the MK4s, but everything around them had one problem or another. The motor is going into my next ca…

Had a B5 Passat 1.8T

Two coil packs A/C evaporator unit packed up Some vacuum pipe broke

The worst probably was the 1.4 Twincharger engine (one with a turbo supercharger) and wisely they discontinued it after one generation.

Total engine replacements before 30,000 km was not uncommon.

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Post by pxtail »

Maybe details are not visible but overall body shape can be figured out and... unless it's full placeholder then for me it's completely disappointing. I'm aware that design was decided, created, analyzed and discussed by teams of highly competent people but for some reason it's against my "common sense". Tesla and this ID.3 are in similar price range [1] and Tesla just looks way better, customers who are buying EV are not traditionalists and I'm pretty sure that modern look is something as important as modern vehicle features. ID.3 aesthetics are just like old boring ICE cars (same thing can be said about audi etron)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19870034

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by petre »

pfranz wrote: post #152
petre wrote: post #105

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The Bora was good, we had one as well, sold it and bought a Civic that had its share of issues. However I would not buy a VW electric, not after Dieselgate. They're cheaters and cheaters need to be punushed.

Who would you buy from? VW got the most attention, but it seems like every automaker has been caught cheating emissions tests going back to the 70s. Daimler just got caught last month. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#Manuf... https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/14/mercedes-diesel-emission... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device#Timeline

Mainly from Japan. Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Suzuki, Subaru. Not Nissan since it's an overpriced Renault now, not Mitsubishi since they're expensive and plagued with issues.

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Post by [deleted] »

Fins wrote: post #143
rasz wrote: post #141

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nothing says luxury like Jaguars laggy infotainment ala $30 android tablet

Jaguar's old supplier of electric parts was known as "the prince of darkness"... I'll take laggy infotainment over a system where you have to use touchscreen to adjust temperature any day, though. Nothing says "a responsible car maker" like having autopilot drive you into a firetruck while you're fiddling with the touchscreen.

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Post by zaroth »

sabareesh wrote: post #121
nickbarnwell wrote: post #110

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Though much improved since the early days, both the 3 and the S have considerably worse fit and finish and material quality than competitively priced vehicles. Whether for weight, cost, or complexity savings, they also eschew a lot of sound deadening material. A $50,000 C class or A4 has a far nicer cabin than anything Tesla has produced, and when you start moving up into E or F segment vehicles the difference is eve…

Definitely it has come long way, the model 3 i have has not creeks or anything like that and with infotainment sure Tesla needs bit more features to be added on bluetooth integration but, I love the simplicity of the car is hard to describe and cockpit on the car almost feels like a spaceship. I almost feel I am outside the car and not inside.

> I almost feel I am outside the car and not inside.

I know exactly what you mean.

Driving without the lights of the instrument cluster shining at your from behind the steering wheel is amazing.

Just you and the road.

The handling and acceleration on the Tesla is supreme, a nice night drive on a curvy road is like a dream.

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Post by zaroth »

Fins wrote: post #142
sabareesh wrote: post #133

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Model 3 is safest production car to the date, as most of the car components are integrated problems can be fixed remotely but still when you have to get to Service Center Tesla is notably improving it. Quality of Tesla drive train, battery, efficiency, supercharger network, software ecosystem, Autopilot (which is best driver assist system available now) .

This would have been funny, if you weren't actually being serious. That way it's just sad.

Please don’t do this here.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by thedaemon »

urda wrote: post #67
thedaemon wrote: post #56

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Yes. They didn't want to return their car and VW wanted everyone to return their car. So if you waited too long to return it.. you didn't get any money back. So this customer is butt hurt over getting better gas mileage and not getting a check. Entitlement.

Buying a product when told it has X features and specifications then receiving said product with Y features and specifications and then becoming upset over it as a consumer isn't "entitlement".

You are giving people way too much credit here. No-one is going through all of the specifications of their car and buying it for those reasons. Plus, you don't buy a diesel vehicle to be eco-friendly, you buy it to get better gas mileage. Car came with X features, which is high MPG. VW got in trouble for X features so they had to flash the computer with Y features, which is lower MPG. This particular customer didn't want to give his vehicle up, but wanted a check. For what reason? To receive money. There is no other reason, if this person was upset about the scandal, they would get rid of the VW fast. Do you not see how this is entitlement? They didn't care about the fact that their car is polluting the planet, they just want money.

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Post by rurban »

mrkstu wrote: post #55
gtirloni wrote: post #8

I'm completely clueless about electric engines so I was wondering if, besides range, there are other attributes one should look for in an electric car like HP and that kind of stuff? In other words, are all electric motors so similar that range is the only differentiator?

Apparently they are way out ahead- check out this report on a teardown where they also compare the tech to the competitors: https://www.teslarati.com/teslas-model-3-electric-motor-is-a... And he isn't gentle on his opinion where they got it wrong, so it doesn't seem to be a puff piece.

so I worked in the automobile industry in a prominent company working with all prominent car manifacturers, and I was one of the PMM experts there (the dynamic electrical motors).

By far the best PMM's worldwide are made by Kessler, Germany. They are way ahead of everyone else, but they can only manifacture about 200 units per year. Hand-made, like a Ferrari. Many of these PMM's for Formula 1. All the good german carmakers know about these very well, the prices, principles and tricks. They are far ahead of most others, including Tesla.

What Tesla did well was bringing parts of this technology to market. In record time.

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Post by Fins »

zaroth wrote: post #166
Fins wrote: post #142

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This would have been funny, if you weren't actually being serious. That way it's just sad.

Please don’t do this here.

Sorry, but what should one do with posts that are just blatantly false?

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Post by zaroth »

Fins wrote: post #169
zaroth wrote: post #166

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Please don’t do this here.

Sorry, but what should one do with posts that are just blatantly false?

Citations, not personal attacks.

For example, as to the claim it is the safest production car ever made, you could cite NHTSA finding the Tesla Model 3 had the best combined VSS (Vehicle Safety Score) ever tested. [1]

Regarding remote maintenance, the latest firmware does add the capability to notify the operator of an issue and pre-orders parts to your home service center. [2]

I can't speak to drive train specifically, although Tesla has stated they design and build to a 1,000,000 mile standard. Longevity and low maintenance cost is a huge factor for Tesla buyers. A Model S driven for Tesloop logged over 400,000 miles and ended up with just a $0.05/mile maintenance cost. [3]

Battery reliability is much higher than everyone expected, and owner surveys of older Model S batteries show 90%+ capacity after 160,000 miles. [4]

Efficiency is easy to demonstrate that Tesla is way ahead of the pack. In my Tesla Model 3 AWD with 19" rims I get ~220Wh/mile, and the RWD version with 18" rims is more efficient than that. The only more efficient EV I know of is the Ionic, which has a 28kWh battery and 3,100 lbs curb weight allows it to beat the Tesla Model 3 at 50kWh battery and 3,552 lbs by 4% in terms of mpge, but has 100 miles less range.

The Tesla Supercharger network is one of a kind. The V3 Supercharger update brings the fastest production charging in the world.

The software ecosystem, presumably meaning OTA updates, have brought innumerable software features, and even hardware performance upgrades (braking and acceleration) in the last several months. My son also really appreciates the new Atari games that keep coming out.

You can debate whether you think AutoPilot is the best driver assistance package available, but it is far from "blatantly false". AutoPilot takes me to work and back every day with very little manual input. It makes a heavy traffic commute totally stress free. I do look out the window while I have it engaged though, not watching a movie on my phone or tablet.

[1] - https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=NHTSA...

[2] - https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-diagnose-pre-order-part...

[3] - https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-...

[4] - https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/16/tesla-batteries-have-90...

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