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Android may get infected one day which is worrisome.
What about MySQL.
Google should have bought Sun in the first place, unfortunately all they could see is its searching with ads.
Google better buy Canonical now before Oracle or other evils do it.
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Working in the JVM world I'm always surprised to hear that its dying, the JVM and Java moves faster forward than ever, Graal is about to go 1.0, a bunch of very interesting (very) low latency GCs are in the pipe (for example ZGC and Shenandoah) and lots of other interesting projects like Valhalla promise to keep the JVM relevant for the next 20 years. Oracle have made some moves to monetize on parts of its investment…
Too little too late, and I highly doubt that (5-year-old) Valhalla will deliver even one of the promised features (value types) in the next 3 years. Remember that the original plan was to have all Valhalla features in Java 10. Java/JVM was in the ideal position to dominate the software world for the whole 21th century 15 years ago. Instead they did an IE6 and stagnated for so long that their competitors became plain…
I never understood the purpose of Valhalla. They should just introduce a 128-bit scalar type and call it a day. Nobody actually cares about automagically storing value types in HashMap — all interested parties (HFT, computing) have already written dedicated collection libraries for working with primitives, and those libraries have little in common with object-based ones.
> LLVM and webassembly are eating JVM's cake
pffft, hahahaha, no they don't.
JVM and LLVM don't even share same market niche — one is a feature-complete runtime, another is a "make-your-own-language" build kit. Webassembly? What webassembly?
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PagerDuty, Zoom, Slack —- seems like a great time for enterprise software.
By entreprise software, I mean the traditional heavy Java frameworks & tooling.
Imagine you do a medical product and the regulations needed for FDA approval require you to check for vulnerabilities in your product and build infrastructure. Have you ever checked all packages in a npm dependency tree for vulnerabilities?
« Oracle already started a blocking politics at the Eclipse Foundation’s board, where Oracle has a seat, and where unanimous decisions are needed. Oracle now has the power, and apparently will use that power, to block the foundation’s future. It demonstrated that power already in a board meeting, where they had the sole vote against an otherwise unaimous move. » I hope other organisations with a director from Oracle…
For me it's more a lesson about how unanimous votes, or unanimous - N can become problematic. In the EU the same is happening. Poland and Hungary have found a loophole allowing them to ignore EU rules and sanctions while still profiting from subsidies and market access. All sanctions against a member state require unanimous-1 (all states except the sanctioned member) votes and Poland is vetoing all sanctions against…
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Hungary and Poland aren't the first to abuse the unanimous-1 veto. The Netherlands always vetos Romania's application to enter the Schengen zone as Romania's harbors to the Black Sea will provide cheaper alternatives for import of goods to the Dutch ones.
Had to validate the Netherlands claim out of curiosity. The claim is popular but even Romanian officials have stated this is not true [0]. [0] http://business-review.eu/news/pm-ciolos-future-of-constanta...
However, the endemic corruption could be the real reason.
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First C# needs to get into all the platforms where there is a Java compiler. And a proper story for something similar to Swing, not even considering JavaFX here. There is Xamarin, but again, the platforms with Java compilers available. And I am stating this as someone that works daily within .NET eco-system.
Which platform doesn’t have a C# compiler that matters?
I guess then openj9, coretto etc would be more appealing but soon enough it feels like there will not be Java left - since those distributions don’t/can’t call themselves java unless oracle allows them to... and I’m not sure why they would - as apparent by OpenJ9 not being called java.
So is it Java EE is dead, soon followed by Java?
Am I mistaken about any of this?
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Time to switch to C#. Funny how it took Oracle to do what C# originally intended to do: kill Java.
First C# needs to get into all the platforms where there is a Java compiler. And a proper story for something similar to Swing, not even considering JavaFX here. There is Xamarin, but again, the platforms with Java compilers available. And I am stating this as someone that works daily within .NET eco-system.
Today your server is x64 and it's running Linux. Your client is a browser.
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I said LLVM and webassembly. LLVM has replaced JVM as a programming language target bytecode in the last 10 years (except Kotlin no new JVM language). JVM has lost web to JS 20-15 years ago, and Webassembly is now taking shape as proper web bytecode. I do not know what will be the most dominant language + bytecode in 25 years, but I would bet $10000 that it isn't Java and JVM.
> except Kotlin no new JVM language Java's never going to be on the bleeding-edge of trendiness (thank goodness). But there have been fewer JVM-targeting alternative languages over the past decade, because Java itself started leaning in a functional direction. It became "good enough" to negate the purpose for most of them. At any rate, counting compile targets for hobbyist toy languages is barely one step beyond meas…
What about Clojure?
I 100% agree with you on Java. Some of these people who compare Java to Cobol have no idea. It’s hard for anyone to predict the future in tech but at this point Java is so widely used in the enterprise that it’s foolhardy to think that Java will disappear anytime soon.
To the credit of the Java community they keep the language relevant and refreshed.
I agree it’s always about 1-2 years behind other languages in terms of features but most enterprises don’t give a damn. Most enterprises just want to get work done. They don’t care about functional or OO.
In the last 3 years I have seen maybe 40% of developers use the latest features from java 8.
So while java might be slow to catch up that’s what it’s customers want.
Spring and Vert.x and similar Java frameworks will always keep Java relevant that it will be hard to ignore
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a) Java/JVM hasn't moved out of the enterprise space at all. Not sure where you got that idea. b) Android isn't switching to Kotlin because of licensing since it is a JVM language after all. It's purely because it is a much better language than Java and has great tooling courtesy of Jetbrains.
> a) Java/JVM hasn't moved out of the enterprise space at all. Not sure where you got that idea. It's the opposite, it's that old school entreprise type software & frameworks are getting less used. > b) Android isn't switching to Kotlin because of licensing since it is a JVM language after all. It's purely because it is a much better language than Java and has great tooling courtesy of Jetbrains. I think it's a mix o…
The only languages that are used more currently are Python and Javascript.