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Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by btilly »

mikece wrote: post #9
pimeys wrote: post #2

Been running 6.5 snapshots in my travel laptop for some weeks and everything just works. The laptop is a ThinkPad X200 which is a bit slow for my needs, but upgrading it to ThinkPad X230 later this week should help. I really enjoy how simple the system is after all these years with Linux. I will always continue using Linux in my main computers, but for surfing, some hobby programming and as a travel OS OpenBSD defini…

>I really enjoy how simple the system is after all these years with Linux. I still shake my head when I think back to the 90s and how Linux managed to overtake the BSDs. Good to see they are still very much alive and moving forward.

Yeah, a good lawsuit at the wrong time will do that to you.

For those who don't know what I am talking about, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories,_Inc..... For what this has to do with Linux adoption, read http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/Finland_period/a... about how the uncertainty around all of the BSD distributions lead to people jumping onto the Linux bandwagon. This got Linux ahead and it never looked back.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by reacharavindh »

I use OpenBSD as firewall appliance, router, SSH bastion, even a general purpose terminal server that takes care of a few cron automated bash scripts.

For the typical workstation - being able to run Linux VMs, Docker/Containers are a blocker for me to use OpenBSD. The closest I have got to the OpenBSD experience is with Void linux. No Systemd, No frills minimal Linux. It is as safe/bloated/feature rich as you configure it to be.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by jancsika »

Oh my, what is the story behind the piece of artwork in this release?

The buzz around OpenBSD always led me to believe it's developed by mole people who subsist on cryptographically secure random donations of soda crackers and water.

Yet here on their release page is a big beautiful image that precedes technical release desiderata.

Can more projects do more beautiful artwork like this?

Also, can I support OpenBSD by buying a tshirt with this artwork on it?

Edit: Just noticed that the stem of the "p" in "OpenBSD" is not obscured by the underline (at least in Chrome). That, along with the italic "Open" with non-italic "BSD" is quite aesthetically pleasing. Is this due to a design whiz who got interested in BSD, or is this just HTML5 doing its thing?

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by blandflakes »

nine_k wrote: post #148
asveikau wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The weird thing, though, is that 90s Linux felt a little more like the BSDs than Linux usually does today. I mean, the BSDs were always a bit more coherent, but the default install of a typical Linux distro felt a lot less "heavy" in the past. You can switch from Linux to one of the *BSDs and feel like you are bringing back the glory days. Maybe this is a complaint about Ubuntu, or gnome, or systemd.

> about Ubuntu, or gnome, or systemd Looks like it. I'm running Void Linux without all these, and it feels simple and lightweight. Also fast. (OTOH when I have to work with BSD userland utilities that are part of macOS, I often miss the GNU extensions, e.g. to `date` or to `awk`.)

If you're using some kind of window manager or desktop environment, do you mind me asking which one?

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by xyproto »

The list of available applications look promising! I think I would miss Sway and perhaps even Docker, though.

I am impressed that OpenBSD comes with Go 1.12.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by viraptor »

structural wrote: post #118
Spivak wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mounted the disk and tried to read off the log, but couldn't. I mean yes, you need something to parse the logs and turn them into human readable text, but the logs are perfectly readable. journalctl --file /mnt/var/log/journal/` A lot, dare I say most, of the parts of systemd actually are optional or do nothing until you use them like systemd-machined.

The assumption here is that the machine you're using to do the log analysis is also a Linux machine that uses systemd (and thus has a journalctl binary). This is not necessarily true. A lot of the annoyance that some people have with the systemd crowd is that these kind of assumptions are made all over the place. The actual software is not bad (I really do prefer dealing with systemd units than writing shell scripts…

I'm not sure I see the problem. At scale, you're logging into an aggregator anyway. If part of your job is log recovery/analysis then you need to get the right tools working (docker works almost everywhere now, so that should solve it). In a small environment, I'm you can find a way to run a VM somewhere temporarily.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by jedisct1 »

xyproto wrote: post #165

The list of available applications look promising! I think I would miss Sway and perhaps even Docker, though. I am impressed that OpenBSD comes with Go 1.12.

OpenBSD ports are always very up to date. In snapshots, packages are frequently updated before most Linux distributions, including Arch.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by dijit »

sdfsdfsdfsdf3 wrote: post #10
pimeys wrote: post #2

Been running 6.5 snapshots in my travel laptop for some weeks and everything just works. The laptop is a ThinkPad X200 which is a bit slow for my needs, but upgrading it to ThinkPad X230 later this week should help. I really enjoy how simple the system is after all these years with Linux. I will always continue using Linux in my main computers, but for surfing, some hobby programming and as a travel OS OpenBSD defini…

Odd that you put this on a the travel laptop and not the desktop, I imagine most OS polygot its the inverse for things like battery life, touchpad drivers, webcam driver. Am curious why not make the switch on desktop? Same semantics? Same dotfiles? Do you use the same window manager across both linux and openbsd? Also what's the "much nicer" you refer to.. Please sell me

I am a huge OS polyglot, I run Windows at work (heavily), Debian, Fedora+CentOS, FreeBSD (also at work on servers and for a long time on my work desktop) and was using openbsd as my only homeOS for 2 years. Now I'm on Arch and MacOS.. So I can weigh in.

>I imagine [..] its the inverse for things like battery life, touchpad drivers, webcam driver.

Battery life is as good as linux, much better than FreeBSD. FreeBSD was idling hard on my laptop (load average of 1.00, 2hrs of battery when OpenBSD was giving me 4. Windows gave me 2.5) Touchpad is "fine" but I was using an X201s mainly which has a teeny tiny touchpad. Webcam... I don't use webcams.. you'd understand if you saw me :p

> Am curious why not make the switch on desktop? Same semantics? Same dotfiles?

I can't answer the OP, but openbsd is actually super slick on laptops, it's good on a desktop too, but compared to FreeBSD (and wpasupplicant to connect to shit ++ bad battery life, and a bad security record) or Linux (where connecting to wifi basically requires use of a GUI) I think it's an acceptable choice. As for dotfiles, you'd be surprised how little changes to third party software there are.. I was running the same dots on my archlinux machine as I was on my FreeBSD and OpenBSD machines (with relatively minor tweaking of which programs control the up/down volume keys for i3)

> Do you use the same window manager across both linux and openbsd?

Yeah, i3.

> Also what's the "much nicer" you refer to.. Please sell me

No pulseaudio (the mixer in openbsd is kinda good, not as many features but that's not needed imo), no wpasupplicant - WPA is built in to ifconfig, really, astonishingly clear man pages. (for the first time in my life I was reading about how the OS was even built through man pages).

Oh and I don't want to start a fight, but I didn't miss systemd (even though I generally think the concept fits a desktop use-case quite well).

I mean, you have to try openbsd to understand really. Although, personally, the input latency and sluggish feeling really got me down, especially when web browsing.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by dijit »

infiniteseeker wrote: post #142
gbrown_ wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenBSD has its own hypervisor these days https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html

Do you know how VMM performance compares to something like KVM2?

KVM has more than a decade of performance enhancements from companies like rhel/intel/google.

It will definitely perform better. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't experiment and see if the performance hit is something you can accept.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by [deleted] »

anthony_doan wrote: post #154
emgee_1 wrote: post #124

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Highly used programs: emacs, vi, Tex , latex, R, python, lisp’s, awk, sed. Yes No multimedia programs, cause I am a mathematician and for pdf I use pdftools; so no Adobe also; started with Slackware in 2007 after an abysmal windows period from 1991 till 2007; now I use openbsd and emacs simply rocks and is rock solid on openbsd.

I have openbsd on an old thinkpad been sitting and gathering dust. Rstudio isn't on OpenBSD and it'll take a bit of the down time to emulate it with tmux and vim... so I never got around doing it... too busy trying to finish my thesis. How is your R setup in OpenBSD? Like what software do you use in tandem when coding R?

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